Manhunter Commentary w/ Will Menaker [Unlocked]

[00:00:03] Hello everyone, Leslie here. So for this special commentary episode we are watching the film Manhunter, the director's cut which clocks in at 2 hours and 4 minutes. This one may be a little bit harder to track down but trust me it is worth it for some of the additional footage. But if you can't track it down don't worry about too much because it's only about 4 minutes longer and you can get it in sync pretty easily.

[00:00:33] Alright so we're going to start the film on go. 3, 2, 1, go. There we go. Yeah I'm playing. Perfect. Wow that's the mark of quality. That really is the mark of quality. You can just tell by the font as good as it is. Truly actually to be honest with you they should add a little wiggle vision to fonts in movies.

[00:01:00] Well hello everyone and welcome to Struggle Session. I'm Leslie the third. I'm Jack Allison. I'm Shannon Strucci. And today we are doing a very special commentary episode of one of my favorite films with one of my favorite people and favorite guests Will Millenker of Chapel Chap Ross.

[00:01:20] Thank you so much for joining us.

[00:01:50] So terrifying.

[00:01:51] I am a huge huge fan of this movie which I'm ashamed to say I didn't watch until many many years later because people would always talk about like oh this is they did a Hannibal Lecter one in the 80s and like it wasn't that good.

[00:02:05] It was near right.

[00:02:06] It wasn't those.

[00:02:07] People are unkind to this because of Silence of the Lambs.

[00:02:09] Yeah it's very hard for this movie to get out underneath the shadow of Silence of the Lambs and like I don't even know like I couldn't even say which one is better.

[00:02:16] I mean I think they're both unalloyed masterpieces.

[00:02:18] Yeah.

[00:02:19] They're so different.

[00:02:21] Oh this opening shot here of Crawford and Bill Graham on the beach here.

[00:02:27] This is the 80s right here.

[00:02:28] I love it.

[00:02:29] Pure 80s.

[00:02:30] Those shorts.

[00:02:32] Oh yeah.

[00:02:32] Some amazing Bill Peterson shorts here.

[00:02:35] Here's the two types of 80s men like the sleeveless beach man and a business fella.

[00:02:43] Both with perms.

[00:02:48] Wonderful.

[00:02:48] Wonderful.

[00:02:49] So what's your history?

[00:02:51] Well all y'all's history of the film.

[00:02:53] I just only watched a couple years ago fell in love with it have watched it maybe four or five times since like it's just one I can do over and over again.

[00:03:03] Mine is also similar to yours.

[00:03:05] I watched it earlier than a couple years ago like I think I did end up watching it maybe in my early 20s or something like that.

[00:03:11] But I also had been fed the line that like oh this is like the lesser prequel or whatever.

[00:03:18] It's not as good.

[00:03:19] And you know I it's they're they're both just very good movies.

[00:03:25] If anything everyone should be like wow the Hannibal Lecter story can like take on so many forms.

[00:03:30] Yeah impressive and like they're all good.

[00:03:34] But yeah I watched it a little later than Silence of the Lambs and yeah I think it's it's it's a it's one of the man classics.

[00:03:41] I've watched it a number of times since then.

[00:03:42] I had a friend who like obsessively loved this movie and got me to watch it and I watched it with some other friends who are like big film people.

[00:03:55] So that was really fun just like one of those fun hangout like movie experiences.

[00:03:59] And I liked it a lot.

[00:04:00] It's kind of hard coming off of Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal because you get two very different like preconceived notions of the Harris canon or whatever.

[00:04:09] But like y'all were saying it's just really cool that different people can interpret the same story in different ways.

[00:04:15] And I liked it a lot.

[00:04:16] I think I'm going to enjoy rewatching it.

[00:04:19] It's like you know like like Michael Mann in this and then Jonathan Deming and Silence of the Lambs just like the color palettes of these two movies could not be more radically different.

[00:04:28] You know Silence of the Lambs is so sort of like brown and dark green and gray.

[00:04:32] And this is just that Michael Mann like dreamy hyper realism of like neon and like nighttime and just like yeah like this cool very cool sort of like like neon color palette.

[00:04:45] Like a cool intensity.

[00:04:47] Yeah.

[00:04:48] White heat.

[00:04:50] So you know starting right away at least just like in because like you know this is this is the the origin story like this is this is the first Thomas Harris novel.

[00:04:57] This is like the introduction of this whole universe of you know Jack Crawford and Hannibal Lecter and all this shit.

[00:05:04] And as we see in you know Hannibal the TV show and in this right off the bat Jack Crawford such a fucking asshole.

[00:05:11] Like just such a jerk like interrupting this guy's like nice life after he's been traumatized and just slides those photos over to him knowing what it'll do.

[00:05:21] Oh man.

[00:05:21] Yeah.

[00:05:26] Yeah.

[00:05:26] One of the things that I think makes the Hannibal Lecter series work so much is the fact that it portrays the FBI is mostly like clueless assholes for the most part.

[00:05:38] More more or less.

[00:05:40] I think the film Silence of the Lambs kind of made you know Clarice smarter more noble Jack Crawford more noble.

[00:05:47] But on the whole like this series kind of endures where a lot of the like days pass and shit.

[00:05:54] Oh look at that.

[00:05:55] Oh my God.

[00:05:55] Beautiful shot.

[00:05:57] Wow.

[00:05:58] Wow.

[00:05:59] Now Leslie I mean I was thinking about it because I was just speaking to you a little earlier like you know I just rewatched all of Hannibal.

[00:06:07] And like that was my second time going away all the way through it.

[00:06:09] Nice.

[00:06:10] Yeah.

[00:06:10] And you know I'd seen it before but like the thing that struck me more than anything rewatching Hannibal the TV series and then you can see glimpses of it in this as well is like what does Jack Crawford actually do?

[00:06:22] Yeah.

[00:06:22] Like what does he bring to the table for like any murder investigation?

[00:06:26] Just yells.

[00:06:26] Like yeah he just like he just makes Will disassociate.

[00:06:31] And then like he's just like if he was on his own he'd be like I don't know like did anyone use a credit card or can we frame some fucking poor teenager for this?

[00:06:42] I don't know like.

[00:06:46] I did not know you could get this color on screen until I saw this film.

[00:06:51] Yeah.

[00:06:52] Yeah.

[00:06:53] This is like pre-traffic like all the digital retouching too so he was like able to get it all blue like in camera.

[00:07:02] I mean it must be some kind of trick like I don't know just waiting for the perfect hour or like minute to get this fucking.

[00:07:08] There are different color processes with film too.

[00:07:10] It was probably some kind of horrible combination of like 15 different things they had to get precisely right.

[00:07:15] Yeah.

[00:07:15] I mean it looks fucking amazing.

[00:07:17] It's so good.

[00:07:18] Like also very important divergence here between the Michael Mann version and the Brian Fuller version is that like you know Will Graham fucks.

[00:07:26] Like he's a normal like man's man.

[00:07:30] He's a little bit traumatized or whatever.

[00:07:32] But you know like he's just he's more of a regular FBI guy rather than the Hugh Dancy version of Will Graham who's like you know neuro atypical.

[00:07:40] Like you know yeah it feels like oh and also gay.

[00:07:45] Oh yes.

[00:07:46] But besides that.

[00:07:47] Yeah.

[00:07:48] But yeah this is kind of a I really like William Peterson as Will Graham.

[00:07:53] I think he does a really good interesting job as like a leading a semi kind of atypical leading man in this movie.

[00:08:01] I think he really brings a lot to the character and just comparing this to what he does on CSI is just really funny because that's like one of the most boring characters.

[00:08:13] Yeah.

[00:08:14] Yeah.

[00:08:16] And like you know what this movie portrays is like I think Michael Mann did this right after Thief which I think was his first like feature film after being like a like a showrunner for many years famously with Miami Vice.

[00:08:28] But like like Michael Mann movies like pretty much all of them but especially like this movie Thief Heat the Insider like what Michael Mann does is he does movies about men at work.

[00:08:39] Like that's really what he's interested in is like men doing a job and like everything else is secondary to that.

[00:08:45] And it's both whether you're a cop or a criminal.

[00:08:47] It's just like he really wants like the details of like how men work how they focus on it and like just like doing the job is this kind of existential paradigm for a man in the modern world.

[00:09:00] Yeah.

[00:09:01] It's all it's all doing a man a man doing a job in a kind of VHS aesthetic with you know heavy synth like with heavy synth.

[00:09:10] And this is that this is a very this is a very film aesthetic but there's something very like I always like how there's something like very sort of like documentary or like very flat about Michael Mann's look.

[00:09:22] I mean he yeah and he wants to show you like it's not just about like like a like a man doing their job and going through the motions.

[00:09:28] It's about the struggle to do the job right to do it to do a job good which I think is like sort of like almost a meta commentary on being a director or like trying to make movies in Hollywood or as part of like a TV studio or anything like that.

[00:09:41] It's about the struggle and the toll it takes on you to to do something just do it like as best as it can can possibly be done like a like this perfectionist element.

[00:09:55] Yeah I think maybe I mean look you look at you know heat.

[00:09:58] Yeah.

[00:09:59] Collateral.

[00:10:00] Heat is like the Avengers of men doing jobs.

[00:10:03] Heat was like an examination of one man doing a job.

[00:10:06] Heat is like eight men all doing the job like the best they can do like jobbing against each other.

[00:10:12] It's so good.

[00:10:12] No but also like with heat with this with thief it's it's also all about like you can be the best the best possible person for the job and obsessed with every detail and not overlook anything.

[00:10:24] But there's always going to be something that goes wrong.

[00:10:26] Right.

[00:10:26] There's always going to be something like you can never ever ever actually achieve perfection.

[00:10:31] Okay so this version of Will Graham does not have like the Xerox wipe effect.

[00:10:36] Yeah.

[00:10:36] That's a Xerox wipe.

[00:10:37] Vroom.

[00:10:42] So Will you you have some really interesting thoughts you shared with me about Hannibal.

[00:10:47] Why did you break down what did you think on the whole of the series?

[00:10:51] Of the TV series?

[00:10:52] I mean like I said it just I was talking to Jack a little bit about it before you got on here.

[00:10:56] It's like the astonishing thing to me about Hannibal is that a it was on network TV during prime time.

[00:11:02] Yeah.

[00:11:03] Which is like astonishing considering how like absolutely grotesque it was.

[00:11:07] Yeah.

[00:11:07] Disgusting.

[00:11:09] But like what I what I loved about the show is that over the course of its three seasons it like it transforms itself into two or three different shows like as it goes along.

[00:11:18] So by the time of like the beginning of like the first half of the third season is like something unlike something that's ever been on television is just this purely phantasmagorical like cycle like like just trippy bizarre love story between two men.

[00:11:35] We were talking about this right before the show you know is there anyone else who can create like actually good artistic network television like Brian Fuller like maybe the only like you know.

[00:11:48] There's there's good network television.

[00:11:50] I don't even say like you watch CSI and I'm like that's like super well constructed like storytelling or whatever.

[00:11:55] But I you know as far as doing this sort of elevated thing is Brian Fuller the only one?

[00:12:00] I don't know but I remember reading because like obviously like Hannibal's on Netflix now and like it's you know it's gained this whole other new audience.

[00:12:09] People were discovering it for the first time and it's become very successful.

[00:12:12] So Fuller has given a lot of interviews about it.

[00:12:15] And I think like the thing I read that struck me is he said that like every director they worked with on on they had some stacked fucking like old school like Peter Madak fucking John Dahl.

[00:12:27] Vincenzo Natale Neil Marshall for at least one episode.

[00:12:31] He just told like everyone like look we're not making a network show like just direct this like an art film from the 80s.

[00:12:36] Like that's what the book should be.

[00:12:38] You know the only other person I actually am thinking right now is Lynch.

[00:12:41] Lynch did Twin Peaks and that television.

[00:12:45] Yeah Shannon you did a video on him.

[00:12:47] Actually your Hannibal video is why I looked you up Shannon in the first place.

[00:12:53] Yeah that's one of my better ones.

[00:12:54] I spent probably 30 hours watching interviewed footage and stuff like that.

[00:12:58] Yeah Fuller is fascinating and he's had problems working on TV shows trying to get like queer representation or more artistic stuff.

[00:13:06] And his quit shows or after he's left shows they've made characters that were gay straight and stuff like that.

[00:13:10] Oh interesting.

[00:13:11] I didn't know that.

[00:13:12] It's been hard.

[00:13:13] I don't know if you saw this but like in this recent spate of interviews one of the most astonishing things that he said is that the network.

[00:13:20] Take a guess the two actors that they suggested to play Hannibal instead of Mez.

[00:13:26] They wanted either Hugh Grant or John Cusack.

[00:13:32] And he was like no it's this guy or nothing.

[00:13:35] And I gotta say.

[00:13:36] Wow.

[00:13:36] I mean obviously like he had way more to work with of like developing this character.

[00:13:41] But like Mez like he leaves Anthony Hopkins in the dust.

[00:13:44] I'm sorry.

[00:13:44] Like there is no better or deeper portrayal of Hannibal Lecter than what Mez does in that.

[00:13:49] Because it just like it takes the cooking stuff to a whole other level but there's just something about Mez is like his face just looks like a Roman like marble like bust or something.

[00:13:59] It just could be seen as nothing.

[00:14:01] It has this icy like sort of eternal quality to it that like his little switches and little suggestions are so perverse and deep.

[00:14:10] Like he's incredible.

[00:14:12] There's a shot in season two where he's trying to I don't want to spoil it for Jack where he's slamming on a door to try to get in and he's throwing his entire giant body against the door like an animal.

[00:14:21] Yeah.

[00:14:22] It's terrifying.

[00:14:22] It's legitimately like really scary.

[00:14:24] Like Anthony Hopkins physically couldn't have done that.

[00:14:26] No.

[00:14:26] He's like this little Welsh guy like you know.

[00:14:31] Have any of y'all read any of the books?

[00:14:33] I've actually never read any Thomas Harris.

[00:14:35] I don't know.

[00:14:36] Yeah.

[00:14:36] So I read all the books and I actually would recommend them like it's like an elevated version of an airport thriller.

[00:14:43] Like it is a little bit better than all the other ones.

[00:14:47] But humble lecture in the book is a lot closer to Anthony Hopkins.

[00:14:51] He's small.

[00:14:51] He's kind of squat.

[00:14:53] He's not he's not particularly attractive.

[00:14:56] And he one other detail.

[00:14:58] He has six fingers on one of his hands.

[00:15:01] Really?

[00:15:01] Yes.

[00:15:02] In the novel.

[00:15:03] Yeah.

[00:15:03] But the books are you know pretty fun and good.

[00:15:10] Probably the most interesting change between the books and the films is that Clarice is like not is like like just basically food for humble lecture.

[00:15:20] He's they're not really like competitive.

[00:15:23] He's not really in love with her.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:24] No.

[00:15:25] No.

[00:15:25] He yeah.

[00:15:26] Like what he does to Agent Scully in the Hannibal series is basically what he does to Clarice.

[00:15:34] Yeah.

[00:15:34] Yeah.

[00:15:35] In the in the book.

[00:15:36] And yeah.

[00:15:37] And he wrote that and Thomas Harris wrote that part after the film version was released where Jodie Foster made you know Clarice you know this kind of feminist icon.

[00:15:48] This really tough brush FBI icon.

[00:15:50] And so the first thing he has you know Clarice do in the sequel book that he wrote is that he has her shoot a black woman while she's holding her baby.

[00:16:02] Right.

[00:16:03] Like on like TV.

[00:16:05] Yeah.

[00:16:05] I remember the baby the absolutely terrible Ridley Scott film of Hannibal that that was very early on in the movie.

[00:16:11] Like they just kill some like get some.

[00:16:13] Yeah.

[00:16:14] Terrible.

[00:16:14] Yeah.

[00:16:15] So he was not a fan of any kind of cop again.

[00:16:19] I guess coming from his work.

[00:16:21] Shouts to a real one.

[00:16:23] Thomas Harris wrote two more.

[00:16:26] I wrote another dog shit sequel for money too.

[00:16:28] I love it.

[00:16:29] He deliberately made it bad.

[00:16:31] I think.

[00:16:33] Fuller talked about if they could get the right.

[00:16:35] I think they had rights issues with MGM for the Clary Starling character.

[00:16:38] But he was talking about making her black in the Hannibal TV show if he ever got to that point or other stuff that he would experiment with it.

[00:16:46] Like I don't know.

[00:16:47] This is probably like eight years ago when he was talking about this but I thought that was interesting.

[00:16:52] Well yeah.

[00:16:52] I mean you could play with a lot like of her like being always sort of an outsider like always feeling eyes on her or like not like you know of the FBI but not really like in it.

[00:17:03] You know.

[00:17:05] Yeah.

[00:17:06] They kind of just in the books they just made it like white trash I guess.

[00:17:12] You know what I see with your with your cheap with your good bag and your cheap shoes.

[00:17:18] I see a robe.

[00:17:32] And like this these scenes that all the all the tropes of the serial killer hunter show shows that we've seen so many they all started with met like all of them are just straight up from manhunting where you get all the cops together and then the FBI agent you know gets in front of them.

[00:17:49] And just blows their fucking you know hasty minds with his profile.

[00:18:01] Well that's what I liked about the the other the the Netflix show Mind Hunters.

[00:18:05] You know they've moved on from hunting men to hunting minds.

[00:18:09] But what I liked about Mind Hunters is that like you know it's about like the creation of like the FBI's like forensic psychology division.

[00:18:16] But like what I liked about the show is that it does you I think a subtle but pretty good job of showing that it's complete bullshit and that like it doesn't it hasn't actually caught anyone.

[00:18:25] And like like like all of the worst serial killers got away with it for fucking years and only got caught because of like the dumbest possible mistakes.

[00:18:33] Yeah.

[00:18:34] Especially like the first season of Mind Hunter like basically what it's about is the FBI learning about sex for the first time.

[00:18:40] They're like they're like yeah like there's this thing called masturbation that people are compelled to do.

[00:18:46] And then like all the like uptight like teeth grinding psychos are just sort of like I don't know I've given you a long leash for this but this is going too far.

[00:18:59] I think this is the director's cut of Manhunter.

[00:19:03] A longer version.

[00:19:05] Yeah I think this is maybe the site yeah I'm not sure.

[00:19:09] This was the one that available this is what all the torrent sites had.

[00:19:13] They had this well then that's obviously the standard of course.

[00:19:23] The transfer on this scene looks a little different.

[00:19:25] Yeah.

[00:19:30] Yeah I believe this is the director's cut.

[00:19:32] We have the extra four minutes.

[00:19:34] The article is 120 directors directors is 120.

[00:19:37] In this you see I think the Tom Noonan has the like the the red dragon tattoo.

[00:19:43] I see this looks really different right here.

[00:19:44] Yeah it is completely different.

[00:19:45] Yeah.

[00:19:46] Yeah.

[00:19:47] So we are watching as Michael Mann intended.

[00:19:49] Yes.

[00:19:50] Yes.

[00:19:55] So man I feel like he is someone who just does not get the credit that he deserves.

[00:20:02] Just a workhorse honestly.

[00:20:04] Michael Mann like just like cracks out hits like truly like a sort of like more.

[00:20:10] I don't know like an old time director or something like that.

[00:20:14] Like he's just like quietly like churning out bangers out there.

[00:20:18] Oh he's he's like he's absolutely a no chair.

[00:20:21] Like he's he's untouchable.

[00:20:22] Like nobody makes movies that look like his stuff.

[00:20:24] Like it's just like.

[00:20:27] Like I mean look at look at just the green like slats behind these guys right now.

[00:20:36] I guess I never.

[00:20:39] I'm like looking through his more recent stuff.

[00:20:41] I'm like I guess I never saw someone.

[00:20:43] I never saw like a public enemies.

[00:20:46] Although I like a collateral.

[00:20:48] I like a collateral.

[00:20:50] Collateral is not bad.

[00:20:51] Collateral is good yeah.

[00:20:52] I like Miami Vice quite a bit.

[00:20:54] Yeah.

[00:20:55] I remember liking Miami Vice.

[00:21:01] I was like yeah this is like the local FBI guy who's like yeah.

[00:21:05] Just sort of big dicking it by being like oh yeah by the way I heard Lecter gutted you.

[00:21:10] How are you talking about that?

[00:21:11] Thanks for bringing that up buddy.

[00:21:17] Love the blinds reflected in his glasses.

[00:21:19] It looks so cool.

[00:21:23] The Insider is a really good Michael Mann.

[00:21:26] Oh so underrated.

[00:21:27] It's underrated.

[00:21:28] It's underrated.

[00:21:28] I watched it recently and there's a funny element to it which is that it's like all about people like learning that cigarettes are like you know dangerous.

[00:21:38] And that is such like old information to us.

[00:21:41] It's like it's funny to watch people being like are you kidding me?

[00:21:43] And the executives like knew about this that it's like hurting people now like 20 years later.

[00:21:48] I'm like well we saw what happened from this information coming out.

[00:21:53] Well yeah no it is funny in retrospect because you know I remember growing up you know just being like inundated with like anti-tobacco.

[00:21:59] Yeah.

[00:21:59] You know like learning and probably truth and all that.

[00:22:02] Truth about how like you know oh and the idea is like oh my god like you know they knew the connection between cancer and how addictive nicotine was blah blah blah.

[00:22:10] And it's like if you compare that shit to like I don't know what like Exxon knew about global warming in the 70s.

[00:22:16] It's just a misdemeanor.

[00:22:18] It doesn't seem like that bad.

[00:22:20] That is another element of it too is I'm like man yeah like I don't know.

[00:22:24] A lot of the companies were up to some bad shit.

[00:22:26] They were.

[00:22:27] Okay here we got Stephen Lang is playing Freddie Lounge here.

[00:22:30] Has there any actor who's had like a more like alpha glow up than this guy?

[00:22:34] He's like this little weasel in this movie in the movie of Avatar.

[00:22:38] He's this like fucking jacked old man.

[00:22:41] Oh my god yeah so good.

[00:22:42] Like how much fucking gear is he on man?

[00:22:44] Did you guys see Don't Breathe?

[00:22:47] Oh yeah Jesus Christ.

[00:22:49] Don't Breathe was awesome.

[00:22:50] Yeah it was good it was good.

[00:22:51] And he is fucking jacked as hell.

[00:22:53] Like he's the least like intimidating individual imaginable here.

[00:22:57] But like something's shifted in his career where like he only plays just hard asses now.

[00:23:03] I actually respect it.

[00:23:05] This is somebody who was like a bit player and then he's like you know what?

[00:23:08] I'm gonna be a character actor.

[00:23:10] Like I'm the villain.

[00:23:11] I'm a character actor and I'm gonna become a character actor.

[00:23:14] I love and respect a character actor.

[00:23:16] I love character actors so much.

[00:23:19] Did you see when he was campaigning to be Cable?

[00:23:22] Yeah yeah yeah.

[00:23:23] I remember that.

[00:23:24] He would have been great.

[00:23:25] Yeah he could have done it.

[00:23:26] Yeah and that fucking dickhead who already has Thanos decided to do it.

[00:23:30] Yeah he's already in like three other Marvel movies.

[00:23:33] Yeah yeah.

[00:23:34] Speaking of Marvel movies.

[00:23:36] I've just recently been watching the X-Men movies.

[00:23:39] Okay okay.

[00:23:40] Actually like I like them.

[00:23:41] I would say like they're the closest.

[00:23:42] Like probably like my favorite of the Marvel movies.

[00:23:45] And man it is so funny watching Hugh Jackman at the beginning of those movies versus like now.

[00:23:52] Like how much?

[00:23:53] Like he has subtracted like 15 years off his life to play Wolverine.

[00:23:57] Oh yeah.

[00:23:58] Just how many steroids?

[00:24:00] Like he looks tiny even in X-Men 2.

[00:24:03] Yeah.

[00:24:03] Like he is so fucking diesel by Logan or the rest.

[00:24:06] Like and he's like in his 50s.

[00:24:09] Yeah.

[00:24:09] It's crazy.

[00:24:10] Like.

[00:24:12] Huge Jackman.

[00:24:13] Jackman.

[00:24:13] He turns himself into a huge Jackman.

[00:24:15] He's so ripped by Logan.

[00:24:18] Who else?

[00:24:18] I like that's like as far as the inconsequentiality of the role versus how much damage he did to

[00:24:25] himself.

[00:24:26] It's probably like some kind of record.

[00:24:28] Even though I did love Logan but damn.

[00:24:31] Yeah Logan was good.

[00:24:35] Those X-Men's are pretty good though you know despite you know it's like well there's Singer

[00:24:40] but Singer makes a good movie.

[00:24:41] He does make good movies.

[00:24:43] Yeah X-Men 1st Class I like a lot.

[00:24:46] They're both very fun.

[00:24:47] They're not bad.

[00:24:48] The first X-Men I like a lot but it is like the plot is too stupid.

[00:24:55] Like the villain's idea is like way too dumb.

[00:24:58] Yeah it makes no sense.

[00:24:59] But I'm like I guess this came before any other superhero movies so I can like be a little

[00:25:03] bit nice.

[00:25:05] But yeah using the Statue of Liberty to make everyone into mutants is some silly shit.

[00:25:10] It's not any sillier than like the plot of like the Riddler in Batman Forever or something

[00:25:15] like that.

[00:25:16] Those two.

[00:25:16] Basically the same thing.

[00:25:17] Yeah it's basically the same.

[00:25:19] I re-watched Batman Forever recently and I like it.

[00:25:24] Yeah.

[00:25:24] It's cartoony in a way that is good.

[00:25:27] They play cartoon sound effects in that movie.

[00:25:30] Like that movie knows what it is.

[00:25:32] Like it's like it is a big cartoon and I'm like I like Speed Racer and I like Batman Forever.

[00:25:38] I have to be consistent here.

[00:25:41] Is this another deleted scene?

[00:25:42] Yeah this is a deleted scene.

[00:25:44] You can tell when it suddenly gets like mega blurry.

[00:25:47] It's like a work print all of a sudden.

[00:25:49] As the director intended obviously.

[00:25:53] So the jail in this is the High Museum of Art in Atlanta.

[00:25:57] Oh cool.

[00:25:58] I don't know about like this shot but when he's running around.

[00:26:01] When he runs out of it yeah.

[00:26:02] Here we got Brian Cox in the first ever screen portrayal of Hannibal Lecter.

[00:26:07] And what I like about this is like this is the only version of Hannibal that's ever portrayed where it actually seems like he's in jail.

[00:26:14] Yeah.

[00:26:15] You know like because like in Silence of the Lambs it's like a little weird.

[00:26:18] He has that like you know sort of glass cube he's in.

[00:26:20] And then best of all like the second half of season three of Hannibal for some reason they just put him in like the most beautifully appointed office that he can't leave.

[00:26:27] And it's just like this guy's killed like dozens of people.

[00:26:30] Like what the fuck?

[00:26:31] This is the least art museum look jail of all the versions that he's been in.

[00:26:39] That's so funny.

[00:26:40] Yeah you would think the others were all film that art museums or Apple stores.

[00:26:46] No Shannon you you lit.

[00:26:48] So you're in Atlanta right.

[00:26:50] So this film is filmed partially at least in Atlanta.

[00:26:54] Why does this movie look better than any of the other things that were filmed in Atlanta starting around like the 2000s onward.

[00:27:02] Why does all of that look like garbage?

[00:27:04] Because all of it like 90% of it is Avengers stuff.

[00:27:07] Yeah.

[00:27:07] I don't know it's interesting there are some hotels that like the hotel in this the Atlanta Marriott Marquis is in like Hunger Games and some other movies and it's the same hotel just like however many years later.

[00:27:18] I think people location scouts just walk into the Marriott and they're like oh my god because it looks really weird.

[00:27:24] But I don't know Michael Mann actually cares about filmmaking.

[00:27:31] Brian Cox's portrayal of Lecter is like it's interesting because he plays him like a little bit rougher.

[00:27:36] He plays him a little bit like a little bit nastier a little bit less refined.

[00:27:40] Like he still has the sort of the suggestion of refinement and culture.

[00:27:46] But he does seem more like a guy who's like you know a prisoner like like a dangerous criminal.

[00:27:51] Yeah.

[00:27:52] Right.

[00:27:52] Just sort of this like ultimate avatar of like sophistication and like above it all like a sort of untouchable godlike figure.

[00:27:59] Mm-hmm.

[00:28:00] Yeah.

[00:28:00] There's like there's like and I and I find it appealing actually there is like kind of an intensity and like desperation in Lecter that you don't see in these other ones.

[00:28:09] Yeah.

[00:28:09] Yeah.

[00:28:09] Exactly.

[00:28:09] He's like you know the he's like the devil prison.

[00:28:13] He's the king of prison and it's all got like satin in his cell.

[00:28:18] Yeah.

[00:28:19] Like he's portrayed like as Hopkins and then especially as in the TV series.

[00:28:23] Like he is basically Satan.

[00:28:25] Like he's just like Lucifer incarnate.

[00:28:27] And like he does nothing that he's not in control of or isn't part of some like master plan or just something that he does to amuse himself.

[00:28:35] Whereas in this movie like you're right at Jack it's like what he does to will here like is out of a sense of like revenge and desperation on his part.

[00:28:44] Like he's not above being moved by like human concerns.

[00:28:47] And listen I love Hopkins portrayal and I love Mads' portrayal too.

[00:28:50] But there's something about this portrayal that does strike me as a little more what like a real life intense murderer might be like.

[00:29:00] Yeah.

[00:29:00] You know what I mean?

[00:29:01] No.

[00:29:01] Like compulsive murderer.

[00:29:03] This is the most human version of these characters.

[00:29:06] Like the most like sort of realistic if they were like real people.

[00:29:09] Yeah.

[00:29:13] He's the only version that isn't always in control.

[00:29:16] Mm-hmm.

[00:29:32] This is such a funny.

[00:29:33] You're right that this is such a funny idea of what like murder detectives do.

[00:29:38] They just like let a murderer solve it for him.

[00:29:40] Yeah.

[00:29:41] He's like ostensibly like the courier of photos.

[00:29:45] That's like what his job is here.

[00:29:48] Like you pointed out Jack like that was like a new thing that this you know thing kind of invented.

[00:29:55] It's so it's so much a trope now.

[00:29:57] Like there's whole TV shows where like Criminal Minds does this like every fucking season.

[00:30:02] The cool villain gets to come back to consult on the case for whatever reason.

[00:30:10] Very shy boy Will.

[00:30:12] And I like this like I mean like they let him have like a couple books but not like a library and an art studio.

[00:30:20] He's killed 15 fucking people.

[00:30:22] Like how much consideration is he going to get just because about just because you can still write articles for academic journals.

[00:30:33] I love that delivery of it.

[00:30:35] Yeah.

[00:30:38] Fantastic.

[00:30:42] Like it is such a gift that we have all of these lectors.

[00:30:45] Like you don't have to pick one.

[00:30:47] You can enjoy all of them.

[00:30:51] I love his framing of them in the same.

[00:30:53] Yeah.

[00:30:53] Yeah.

[00:30:54] Great.

[00:31:02] Yeah.

[00:31:03] So yeah.

[00:31:08] And his manipulation is a little bit more obvious in this one.

[00:31:12] Yeah.

[00:31:12] Yeah.

[00:31:12] Like you can like you can read his motivations much more clearly here.

[00:31:19] You want the scent?

[00:31:20] Smell yourself.

[00:31:21] Yeah.

[00:31:23] So good.

[00:31:25] Awesome.

[00:31:25] So yeah.

[00:31:26] This is a this this sequence here where he wrote this is the what the Museum of Modern Art in Atlanta.

[00:31:30] Shannon.

[00:31:30] The High Museum of Art.

[00:31:32] High Museum.

[00:31:32] OK.

[00:31:32] Oh OK.

[00:31:33] Very cool.

[00:31:34] Look at that.

[00:31:34] It's a great museum.

[00:31:35] Oh wow.

[00:31:35] Scouting that location.

[00:31:37] Oh great.

[00:31:37] Yeah.

[00:31:41] Damn.

[00:31:41] They had a really cool outsider art exhibit last last year or the year before that I went

[00:31:44] to.

[00:31:48] Coincidentally most outsider art just means done by a serial killer.

[00:31:52] Yeah.

[00:31:53] They had a whole Henry Darger thing.

[00:31:55] Yeah.

[00:31:56] Yeah.

[00:31:59] And all that white.

[00:32:02] Like an asylum.

[00:32:03] Yeah.

[00:32:03] Like it's just like yeah these colors are so bright and like you watch Ons the Lambs and

[00:32:07] it's like it's it's the most like autumn toned movie ever.

[00:32:15] It is actually you know cool and interesting to do a hyper brightly lit ostensibly horror

[00:32:23] movie.

[00:32:23] You know.

[00:32:24] Yeah.

[00:32:25] Definitely.

[00:32:25] Like Midsommar too.

[00:32:26] Yeah.

[00:32:26] Which wasn't my favorite movie but that cinematography was incredible.

[00:32:31] Yeah.

[00:32:32] Even the scene where he was meeting with Lecter there like that is just like bright white

[00:32:35] almost like Neo getting the guns in the Matrix level like bright white.

[00:32:44] Wow.

[00:32:48] Press is the enemy of the people.

[00:32:53] I always thought it was funny in the TV series like they you know they they gender swap Freddie

[00:32:59] Lounds and they also let her live through the entire thing.

[00:33:02] Yeah.

[00:33:02] By switching her up like with her horrible fate to Dr. Chilton and I fucking loved what's

[00:33:09] his name.

[00:33:10] Raul Esparza.

[00:33:11] Yeah.

[00:33:12] Raul Esparza.

[00:33:12] One of my favorite actors.

[00:33:13] Oh he's so good.

[00:33:14] And he was so good as Chilton but what I loved in Hannibal the TV series again spoiler alert

[00:33:19] so Jack it's the it is the funniest long shot joke over three series over three seasons

[00:33:24] that show that he is somehow still alive at the end of it as well.

[00:33:28] Yeah.

[00:33:28] Like you feel bad for him by the end.

[00:33:31] He doesn't even deserve this.

[00:33:33] Fuller called him their Kenny.

[00:33:35] Yeah.

[00:33:35] He's doing terrible things.

[00:33:37] And Raul Esparza plays it so well because he's so like he gets played by everyone but

[00:33:42] he's such a jerk that it's like he kind of deserves it.

[00:33:44] But no I love oh my God that performance and that character.

[00:33:48] I love this shit like Heclecter does with the phone.

[00:33:52] This is like just straight up crook shit to do.

[00:33:54] Yeah.

[00:33:58] I imagine Mads Mikkelsen would have some kind of elaborate device to do that not like a

[00:34:03] gum pack.

[00:34:04] Yeah.

[00:34:08] I love when you choose the gum here too.

[00:34:10] It's so good.

[00:34:22] Yes.

[00:34:25] Again even this like him pulling something off there is like a desperation kind of to

[00:34:30] it.

[00:34:31] Yeah.

[00:34:31] Like a quickness you know.

[00:34:32] He's sweating.

[00:34:33] Yeah.

[00:34:45] I love it.

[00:35:01] His face.

[00:35:06] I like that she doesn't think anything's up.

[00:35:15] That's fine.

[00:35:17] Let's need the home address of an FBI agent real quick.

[00:35:20] See because I had this job in publishing and I would have done this in him third.

[00:35:25] I would have given anyone's home address if someone thought that was an agent calling.

[00:35:29] I don't give a shit.

[00:35:34] Do you know Brian Cox is actually I think he's a pretty big lefty in real life too.

[00:35:38] Oh really?

[00:35:39] I didn't know that.

[00:35:39] Good.

[00:35:40] He grew up Catholic in Scotland.

[00:35:43] So he always had that kind of hatred of you know Anglo Protestant ruling class you know.

[00:35:52] He's great.

[00:35:53] He's such a good actor.

[00:35:55] Good in everything.

[00:35:58] Oh this is so funny too.

[00:36:01] So you always get sat next to the worst person on an airplane you know.

[00:36:07] This is what it was like before everyone had like you know Wi-Fi in their own personal

[00:36:11] movies.

[00:36:12] You just had to look at like fucking.

[00:36:13] A photo.

[00:36:14] Photos of a butchered family.

[00:36:16] And it's like you know as wife here it's just like with few exceptions like women just

[00:36:34] basically don't exist in the Michael Mann universe.

[00:36:37] They do only as just sort of like supplements or impediments to the man doing his job you

[00:36:44] know.

[00:36:44] It's noir.

[00:36:45] It's you know it's like it's you know it's the kind of modern noir like you know I guess

[00:36:51] 80s 90s modern noir.

[00:36:57] But he definitely is a wife guy.

[00:37:00] Yeah.

[00:37:00] This is a movie about him being distracted from his from his duties as a wife guy by work

[00:37:06] and which which would you choose to be.

[00:37:09] Oh God.

[00:37:11] Did he notice who he was sitting next to on this plane?

[00:37:14] I know.

[00:37:15] This is something Hannibal Graham would do from the TV show.

[00:37:18] Yeah.

[00:37:19] About these gruesome pictures.

[00:37:23] Sorry about that.

[00:37:24] It's one way to get your own seat though.

[00:37:29] No like no this movie is about it.

[00:37:32] Yeah.

[00:37:32] Like I said his movies are about men at work.

[00:37:34] It's like you can either be a wife guy or a work guy but you can't like when you try

[00:37:37] to combine the two it leads to disaster.

[00:37:59] Now again you know spoilers for the Hannibal series but this Will Graham does not make the

[00:38:07] choice to live happily ever after with Hannibal leaving his wife without any you know notification

[00:38:15] or goodbye and all his dogs too.

[00:38:18] Oh.

[00:38:19] He does.

[00:38:19] That is so funny the way they just dispense with his wife and kid in season three.

[00:38:24] Yes.

[00:38:26] This guy he wants to go back to them always.

[00:38:41] I mean.

[00:38:41] There's good music in this movie too.

[00:38:43] I just imagine seeing that guy in my yard and being like hello.

[00:38:49] Yeah.

[00:38:50] But he's so stylish.

[00:38:51] Can I help you sir?

[00:38:52] He's so stylish and intense.

[00:38:53] Sir.

[00:38:54] Can I help you?

[00:39:00] That is a really cool ass suit.

[00:39:03] That'd be so hot.

[00:39:04] He's in Birmingham.

[00:39:05] Yeah.

[00:39:06] I know.

[00:39:06] It's supposed to be Alabama.

[00:39:07] I'm in.

[00:39:10] Full of some sort of tweed style blazer.

[00:39:12] I know.

[00:39:13] It almost looks like velour or something.

[00:39:15] Yeah.

[00:39:39] But they thought building that tire swing would be fun for their kids.

[00:39:46] See the Hugh Dancy Willgram could not climb this road.

[00:39:51] He was a fit boy but he didn't have the upper body strength.

[00:39:53] Yeah.

[00:39:54] He weighed about 90 pounds.

[00:39:56] I guess maybe it would be easier for him to climb it.

[00:40:03] Ah yes.

[00:40:05] I love this.

[00:40:06] I love how he does the mind hunting.

[00:40:09] And every you know procedural has different ways to do the mind hunting scene.

[00:40:14] This is like the first one and he just kind of does a voiceover mix.

[00:40:19] Out loud.

[00:40:19] And like self-monologue.

[00:40:23] I mean we saw examples of it like early on like after he goes to the first crime scene

[00:40:28] and he's like he's watching the video in his hotel room.

[00:40:30] And like this whole repeated use of like his mind hunting technique

[00:40:36] or like he's profiling him.

[00:40:38] You watch them all goddamn day.

[00:40:39] Yeah.

[00:40:40] And like his thing about dreaming.

[00:40:42] His thing about dreaming and seeing and things like that

[00:40:45] and also like watching videos.

[00:40:47] It's just like again this very like sort of like meta like visual narrative

[00:40:53] about like movies themselves being like our sort of mind's eye.

[00:40:57] The way we experience our dreams.

[00:40:59] And then also like this.

[00:41:00] Like yeah like something very perverse about it.

[00:41:03] Like this male gaze of like you know seeking out victims

[00:41:06] and like living out violent sexual fantasies through watching the film itself.

[00:41:12] Like I think he's playing with a lot of that in this movie.

[00:41:14] That's how I read it.

[00:41:17] I think my favorite version of mind hunting is David Lynch's that he does where he does the ceremony.

[00:41:25] Agent Cooper goes out in like the fifth or sixth episode and he goes out in the forest and he like.

[00:41:30] Oh and they're throwing rocks.

[00:41:31] Yeah.

[00:41:31] Yeah.

[00:41:33] Oh here's Dr. Chilton.

[00:41:34] This is like this is a.

[00:41:36] You get a little glimpse of Chilton's sort of prissy sleaziness here.

[00:41:40] No one can beat Esparza as far as that character.

[00:41:43] I will note you like.

[00:41:44] Such a perfect little worm.

[00:41:46] But it's so weird because on SVU he plays a DA who's supposed to be like noble and shit.

[00:41:53] But he still like just comes across as a little worm too.

[00:41:56] He's also a Broadway star.

[00:41:58] He was in the rental company.

[00:41:59] It was really good.

[00:42:00] Yeah I saw him in the stage version of David Mamet's Speed the Plow with him Jeremy Piven and Elizabeth Moss that was so bad.

[00:42:09] It was the one Jeremy Piven like tried to get out of or quit like a week into its run by saying he had food poisoning or something.

[00:42:16] Or like he did the Jordan Peterson thing.

[00:42:18] I think he said like he ate sushi and it gave him like some sort of iron.

[00:42:21] Some sort of blood disorder that prevented him from continuing to do the play.

[00:42:25] And then I think like I remember reading that like after they replaced him with William H. Macy like the first night Esparza addressed the audience and apologized to them for how bad it fucking was before it.

[00:42:37] But Esparza was great but like Piven and Elizabeth Moss on Broadway where it was not good.

[00:43:03] Wow.

[00:43:13] I like that he checks his mentions.

[00:43:15] He's mad about my mentions guy.

[00:43:19] He's name searching.

[00:43:19] Yeah he name searches.

[00:43:21] Those plants just in the corners.

[00:43:36] Little green.

[00:43:41] See this is what Crawford does.

[00:43:43] He has no insight into any like investigating any crime.

[00:43:46] He just tells people to do things.

[00:43:49] He's a manager.

[00:43:50] He's an executive.

[00:43:51] He's just he's just a manager.

[00:43:52] He's an overseer.

[00:43:53] He's an executive.

[00:43:54] He knows what needs to get done and he knows how to tell people to do it.

[00:44:12] So favorite Jack Crawford.

[00:44:14] Dennis Farina.

[00:44:16] Or.

[00:44:17] I mean I like Scott Glenn from Silence of the Lambs.

[00:44:21] I'd have to rewatch Silence of the Lambs.

[00:44:23] I haven't seen it in a while.

[00:44:24] I do love Lawrence Fishburne.

[00:44:25] It's extremely good.

[00:44:26] When he fist fights Hannibal.

[00:44:28] Oh yeah.

[00:44:29] A few times.

[00:44:32] I gotta go with Fishburne.

[00:44:35] Larry Fishburne.

[00:44:35] Gotta go with good old Larry Fishburne.

[00:44:38] I mean because he doesn't do like the weird.

[00:44:40] He's just like.

[00:44:42] He's just so like.

[00:44:43] I just love that fight.

[00:44:44] That is so.

[00:44:45] He is fucking Morpheus.

[00:44:47] When he needs to be.

[00:44:50] And it's just so cool.

[00:44:53] Yeah.

[00:44:53] It's because like Hannibal beats him one time.

[00:44:55] And then I love when Jack gets like a second chance.

[00:44:58] And just beats the shit out of him.

[00:44:59] In Florence.

[00:45:00] In that ancient like beautiful.

[00:45:02] Beautifully appointed.

[00:45:03] He ruins like probably several dozen like priceless antiques of medieval Italian Renaissance.

[00:45:10] Like torture devices or whatever.

[00:45:12] But then when he finally gets to that like the cannibal so unfazed by it.

[00:45:16] Like he just uses an example to just crack a joke about his dead wife.

[00:45:19] It's so perfect.

[00:45:21] Like he's so nasty.

[00:45:27] I love it.

[00:45:28] Just all the specifics.

[00:45:30] All the technical details of investigations.

[00:45:37] I do always like a Dennis Farina though.

[00:45:40] I do like a Dennis Farina.

[00:45:42] Another kind of character actor-y guy.

[00:45:45] He also did a stint on Lauren.

[00:45:47] Oh no.

[00:45:47] I don't know where.

[00:45:49] And Laurence Fishburne did a stint on CSI.

[00:45:51] I think replaced him in Phil Peterson.

[00:45:53] Yeah he did.

[00:45:56] He was actually really bad in CSI.

[00:45:59] He was like.

[00:45:59] They made him like be.

[00:46:00] They wanted him to be like nerdier than this guy.

[00:46:04] They wanted him to be like kind of nebbish.

[00:46:06] And oh I'm not used to being out in the field for some reason.

[00:46:09] I didn't get it.

[00:46:39] Overhead projector?

[00:46:49] Oh it's like.

[00:46:50] It is kind of like an overhead projector with like a direct feed.

[00:46:54] To like 15 TVs?

[00:47:06] These are the tech guys.

[00:47:08] The lab geeks.

[00:47:10] The first ever.

[00:47:11] Will's Q.

[00:47:13] Yeah.

[00:47:13] And like.

[00:47:14] I like like.

[00:47:14] In the Hannibal the TV series.

[00:47:16] Like in the first season.

[00:47:17] Like they really do.

[00:47:18] It starts out like a.

[00:47:20] Like a typical kind of case of the week show.

[00:47:22] And they really play up like Scott Thompson.

[00:47:23] And that other guy.

[00:47:24] Is like the sort of.

[00:47:25] Yeah.

[00:47:26] Like the lab geeks.

[00:47:27] And comic relief.

[00:47:27] But I also like how they completely go away.

[00:47:30] As the show morphs.

[00:47:31] Into something else entirely.

[00:47:35] And they just kind of.

[00:47:36] They just kind of duck in to say.

[00:47:37] Hey we're.

[00:47:37] Nobody's killed us yet.

[00:47:39] Like every three or four episodes.

[00:47:40] And that's about it.

[00:47:42] And they did.

[00:47:42] I think they.

[00:47:43] Or go ahead.

[00:47:44] Go ahead.

[00:47:45] They kind of had to prove to NBC.

[00:47:47] That they could like have a show.

[00:47:50] And had the procedural for the first season.

[00:47:51] I think it was kind of deliberate.

[00:47:53] On Brian Fuller's part.

[00:47:54] And then once it.

[00:47:55] Worked.

[00:47:56] Then he was able to.

[00:47:57] That's why you got to see the other two seasons Jack.

[00:47:59] Because it just goes completely off the rails.

[00:48:00] Oh I love it.

[00:48:01] Yeah.

[00:48:02] I kind of.

[00:48:02] You know.

[00:48:03] Honestly.

[00:48:04] The killer of the week.

[00:48:06] Like soured me on it a little bit.

[00:48:08] So I'm glad to hear that it does get a little more.

[00:48:09] Oh it does not.

[00:48:10] Yeah.

[00:48:10] It's totally trash.

[00:48:11] It was a little.

[00:48:11] It was a little small villi in that first season.

[00:48:14] Even though I was like.

[00:48:15] This is gorgeous.

[00:48:15] And well acted.

[00:48:16] And like.

[00:48:17] Actually it's like very cool.

[00:48:18] I kind of just fell off.

[00:48:19] Kind of for that reason.

[00:48:20] I guess.

[00:48:20] Well yeah.

[00:48:20] Because like you're.

[00:48:21] You're straight jacketed by the.

[00:48:23] The sort of the killer of the week thing.

[00:48:24] Especially if it's about serial killers.

[00:48:26] Like a show like criminal minds.

[00:48:27] Or whatever.

[00:48:27] It's just like.

[00:48:28] It just breaks all credulity.

[00:48:30] Because it just like.

[00:48:31] They think it's like.

[00:48:32] Oh Chris Elliott here.

[00:48:33] Cameo by Chris Elliott.

[00:48:35] Oh yeah.

[00:48:36] Great.

[00:48:37] But like yeah.

[00:48:37] It's just strange credulity.

[00:48:38] Because like they.

[00:48:39] They want you to inhabit a universe.

[00:48:41] In which like at any given moment in America.

[00:48:43] There are like 300 serial killers.

[00:48:45] Working full time.

[00:48:46] And also like.

[00:48:47] And also like.

[00:48:48] You know.

[00:48:48] Artist serial killers.

[00:48:50] Like.

[00:48:50] Artists.

[00:48:51] Who have the time.

[00:48:52] And like freedom.

[00:48:53] To construct like some.

[00:48:54] Some Cristo like installation.

[00:48:57] Involving 300 dead bodies.

[00:48:59] Yeah.

[00:49:00] What's the signature.

[00:49:01] What's the universe feel to it.

[00:49:02] Yeah.

[00:49:03] Yeah.

[00:49:03] Yeah.

[00:49:03] Like.

[00:49:03] It seems like this is a universe.

[00:49:05] Where people are more likely to be.

[00:49:07] You know.

[00:49:08] Artistic murderers.

[00:49:09] Yeah.

[00:49:09] Yeah.

[00:49:09] Well.

[00:49:09] I mean.

[00:49:09] That's what I liked about Hannibal.

[00:49:11] Is like as the show goes on.

[00:49:12] I really appreciated that they.

[00:49:14] Abandoned any pretense to realism.

[00:49:16] And just went.

[00:49:17] Oh absolutely.

[00:49:17] Like operatic.

[00:49:18] Like just art film.

[00:49:19] Like.

[00:49:20] Like not even trying to portray a universe.

[00:49:22] Or like an FBI.

[00:49:23] That's anything close to reality.

[00:49:25] Yeah.

[00:49:42] So Jack you mentioned how like there's.

[00:49:44] In the serial killer of the week shows.

[00:49:47] That has to be like 700 serial killers in America.

[00:49:50] But have you.

[00:49:50] There's actually.

[00:49:51] They're doing some research that.

[00:49:53] And for.

[00:49:54] For now it suggests that like serial killers.

[00:49:57] Are basically out of fashion now.

[00:49:59] Like.

[00:49:59] It's.

[00:49:59] Yeah.

[00:50:00] It's.

[00:50:00] Dude it's weird.

[00:50:01] Like.

[00:50:01] The serial killer.

[00:50:02] Both as like a thing that happens.

[00:50:05] And in American imagination.

[00:50:06] Has like gone away almost completely.

[00:50:08] Yeah.

[00:50:08] And it just seems like they've been replaced by like the.

[00:50:11] The spree killer.

[00:50:12] Right.

[00:50:12] That's what I wondered.

[00:50:13] Like are people who would have been serial killers now deciding.

[00:50:17] Or like subconsciously whatever.

[00:50:18] To just get a gun and go to a mall.

[00:50:21] Or whatever.

[00:50:21] It is really really strange.

[00:50:23] That like.

[00:50:24] That there's like a stylish way to be a mass murderer.

[00:50:27] For every like generation.

[00:50:29] It's like.

[00:50:29] There was the generation that liked to do little tricks.

[00:50:32] And play games with the police.

[00:50:34] The Albert Fish writing little letters.

[00:50:35] Yeah.

[00:50:37] And the funny thing is.

[00:50:38] If it is true.

[00:50:39] That is generational.

[00:50:40] Then the entire like foundation of like.

[00:50:43] This criminal behavior shit.

[00:50:45] It's completely fucking phony.

[00:50:48] Yeah.

[00:50:48] Because it wouldn't make.

[00:50:48] Because they're.

[00:50:49] Because they'll tell you like.

[00:50:50] Oh someone becomes a mass shooter.

[00:50:53] For X, Y, and Z.

[00:50:54] Psychological reasons.

[00:50:55] Somebody becomes.

[00:50:56] A serial killer for this.

[00:50:57] That reason.

[00:50:58] But if it's just more like.

[00:51:00] A fad.

[00:51:01] Sort of thing.

[00:51:02] Depending on.

[00:51:03] The spirit of the time.

[00:51:04] Yeah.

[00:51:05] Who knows what Zoomer killers will even be like.

[00:51:07] Yeah.

[00:51:08] We probably can't even.

[00:51:09] Oh God.

[00:51:09] We can't even imagine it.

[00:51:10] Well like I said.

[00:51:11] Like the thing with.

[00:51:12] The thing with like the Mindhunters TV show.

[00:51:14] Like it's the FBI learning about sex.

[00:51:15] Like it's all based on the idea.

[00:51:16] That like essentially like all serial killers.

[00:51:18] Are working out some like pathological sexual fetish.

[00:51:21] Which is I guess like.

[00:51:22] You know.

[00:51:22] Not untrue.

[00:51:24] But like.

[00:51:24] It seems like sex as a motivation.

[00:51:26] Is completely drained out of like.

[00:51:28] The mass shooter profile.

[00:51:30] I mean there's.

[00:51:30] It's probably because Zoomers are just like.

[00:51:32] Like you know.

[00:51:32] Not having.

[00:51:33] They don't care about sex anymore.

[00:51:34] If there's sex in the.

[00:51:35] In the.

[00:51:36] In the new mass shooter.

[00:51:37] It's like not having sex.

[00:51:39] It's like.

[00:51:40] It's like.

[00:51:41] I have never had sex.

[00:51:43] You know.

[00:51:44] Sadly.

[00:51:45] You know.

[00:51:46] There are Chad.

[00:51:47] And virgin serial killers.

[00:51:48] To be totally honest with you.

[00:51:50] The Chad serial killer sends letters.

[00:51:52] To the newspaper.

[00:51:53] The virgin.

[00:51:55] Is it actually a virgin?

[00:51:57] Yeah.

[00:52:01] Making moves.

[00:52:02] Yes.

[00:52:10] So you know.

[00:52:11] In this.

[00:52:11] In this man.

[00:52:13] Hunter.

[00:52:13] I have to say.

[00:52:14] That even though it's like.

[00:52:16] All 100% men.

[00:52:18] The emotional intelligence.

[00:52:20] Of all the men around Will.

[00:52:21] Is a little bit higher.

[00:52:23] Than the average emotional intelligence.

[00:52:25] In Hannibal.

[00:52:26] Where they gender swapped.

[00:52:27] A lot of the characters.

[00:52:29] Like in Hannibal.

[00:52:30] The characters all like.

[00:52:31] Yeah.

[00:52:32] I think Will is breaking apart.

[00:52:34] But like Jack said.

[00:52:34] He's taking care of it.

[00:52:36] So like.

[00:52:37] I don't need to worry about it.

[00:52:38] It's fine.

[00:52:40] Yeah.

[00:52:41] That is also funny.

[00:52:41] The way they.

[00:52:42] Like in Hannibal.

[00:52:43] The way they just keep.

[00:52:44] They keep letting Will.

[00:52:46] Like completely lose his mind.

[00:52:48] And like fuck up a crime scene.

[00:52:50] And then they're just like.

[00:52:51] No.

[00:52:51] It's okay.

[00:52:52] Like.

[00:52:53] Like.

[00:52:54] Like.

[00:52:54] Just he needs.

[00:52:55] He needs.

[00:52:55] He needs a second to himself.

[00:52:57] You know.

[00:53:04] I like.

[00:53:04] Yeah.

[00:53:05] This is also like.

[00:53:06] Basically.

[00:53:06] This is the FBI mind hunting manual.

[00:53:08] Over there.

[00:53:08] Like if all else fails.

[00:53:09] Just um.

[00:53:09] Like just call him gay.

[00:53:10] Right.

[00:53:12] Oh.

[00:53:13] Here's Taco.

[00:53:14] If you want to see Taco.

[00:53:15] Oh.

[00:53:16] He's so cute.

[00:53:17] Hey buddy.

[00:53:19] Aw.

[00:53:19] Sweetie.

[00:53:29] Snappy answers to stupid questions.

[00:53:37] Yeah.

[00:53:37] It's so interesting how they use this in.

[00:53:39] The Hannibal.

[00:53:40] Yeah.

[00:53:40] They completely reverse this.

[00:53:53] Yeah.

[00:53:53] Will like straight up.

[00:53:55] Murder.

[00:53:56] So.

[00:53:56] Friendly.

[00:53:57] Basically.

[00:53:58] Yeah.

[00:54:12] Look at that tie.

[00:54:13] That fucking square in.

[00:54:14] That pose.

[00:54:40] Yeah.

[00:54:41] Read a fucking book dude.

[00:54:44] Here we are in the deleted.

[00:54:45] Blurry.

[00:54:58] That's.

[00:54:59] That's showing him not wanting to see his wife.

[00:55:01] I guess.

[00:55:02] The studio didn't like that.

[00:55:04] Like.

[00:55:04] No.

[00:55:04] You need to make it very clear that Will is very horny for his wife.

[00:55:08] Don't.

[00:55:09] Like.

[00:55:10] Deny that in any way.

[00:55:25] Just geeking out on this.

[00:55:26] On this.

[00:55:27] On this gun.

[00:55:27] Yes.

[00:55:28] I like the little zoom.

[00:55:30] Just the right on the bullets.

[00:55:31] Oh yeah.

[00:55:32] This is the good shit.

[00:55:47] There's the inspancy.

[00:55:48] Look at him.

[00:55:52] Like.

[00:55:52] Bro's gotta take care of each other in this universe.

[00:55:55] FBI pursues pervert.

[00:55:57] Like the onion cartoonist Kelly.

[00:56:00] Like sickos.

[00:56:00] Haha.

[00:56:01] Yes.

[00:56:02] He's looking in the window.

[00:56:19] Yeah.

[00:56:19] Like.

[00:56:19] He's like.

[00:56:20] Like.

[00:56:20] Taking time out of the case.

[00:56:22] To like.

[00:56:22] Keep having sex with his wife.

[00:56:24] Yeah.

[00:56:24] Keep the marriage.

[00:56:25] Keep the relationship alive.

[00:56:27] It's very important when you're hunting sickos.

[00:56:30] That you don't become one.

[00:56:32] Yes.

[00:56:33] Ever.

[00:56:33] Ever.

[00:56:34] Masturbate.

[00:56:35] Like.

[00:56:35] Not even once.

[00:56:36] Exactly.

[00:56:36] Exactly.

[00:56:37] Yeah.

[00:56:37] He's like.

[00:56:38] I'm in a hotel by myself.

[00:56:39] All for hours at a time.

[00:56:41] Fuck.

[00:56:51] Another big trope in Michael Mann movies is like.

[00:56:54] Women who are too interested in what their.

[00:56:55] What their husband or lover like does.

[00:56:58] You know.

[00:56:58] Like Al Pacino in Heat.

[00:57:00] Where he's like.

[00:57:01] I told you baby.

[00:57:02] When we first took up.

[00:57:03] You were gonna have to share me.

[00:57:04] With all the bad things in the world.

[00:57:06] And he's like.

[00:57:07] What am I supposed to do?

[00:57:08] Come home and.

[00:57:08] There's this junkie.

[00:57:10] Who just cooked his baby in a microwave.

[00:57:12] Let's share that honey.

[00:57:14] And like.

[00:57:15] In Thief too.

[00:57:16] You know.

[00:57:16] It's just.

[00:57:17] It's just.

[00:57:17] Don't ask me about my work.

[00:57:18] Like.

[00:57:18] That's just like.

[00:57:19] It's the.

[00:57:19] It's the Michael Mann.

[00:57:21] Masculine mindset.

[00:57:22] She's asking the most like.

[00:57:24] Basic questions.

[00:57:25] Just like.

[00:57:26] Curious.

[00:57:32] Yeah.

[00:57:32] The TV series made.

[00:57:34] Will's wife.

[00:57:35] A lot more like.

[00:57:36] Helpful.

[00:57:37] And understanding.

[00:57:38] As opposed to.

[00:57:39] Yeah.

[00:57:39] The.

[00:57:40] Uh.

[00:57:40] A little bit more.

[00:57:42] I think a lot of things would have made her more like.

[00:57:44] A nag.

[00:57:45] Of some sort.

[00:57:46] But they.

[00:57:46] They really.

[00:57:47] I don't think they really did it in the book.

[00:57:49] Either.

[00:57:49] If I'm remembering correctly.

[00:57:51] She was also.

[00:57:52] More pushing Will to do it.

[00:57:54] I think in the book.

[00:58:04] Oh.

[00:58:04] These scents.

[00:58:06] This is a very romantic movie too.

[00:58:08] Like.

[00:58:08] It is kind of a.

[00:58:09] A romance.

[00:58:10] Like.

[00:58:10] It's a love story.

[00:58:12] Is like.

[00:58:12] The cinder of this.

[00:58:16] Which is true for the Hannibal series too.

[00:58:19] Oh yeah.

[00:58:24] Certified wife guy here.

[00:58:28] But Will and Hannibal never get seen like this in the show.

[00:58:31] Sorry.

[00:58:32] Maybe if they ever get picked back up again.

[00:58:36] Oh.

[00:58:37] This looks badass.

[00:58:39] Yeah.

[00:58:39] So.

[00:58:39] So tight.

[00:58:47] Like.

[00:58:47] This is right after he's made love to his wife another time.

[00:58:50] Then he's like.

[00:58:50] Okay.

[00:58:50] I'm just.

[00:58:51] I'm going out for a walk.

[00:58:52] I'm going to tell you what I'm doing.

[00:58:53] Be back in a little bit.

[00:58:54] Maybe.

[00:58:55] Ha ha.

[00:58:59] Just making myself a target for a serial killer.

[00:59:05] Same shade of green.

[00:59:07] I love the way that.

[00:59:08] It's used in this movie.

[00:59:14] Like.

[00:59:14] We talk about how bright most of this movie is.

[00:59:16] But like.

[00:59:17] Oh yeah.

[00:59:17] He knows how to do like.

[00:59:19] He knows how to shoot in night time.

[00:59:21] Man.

[00:59:21] Like the.

[00:59:21] The used car lot in Thief.

[00:59:24] Man.

[00:59:24] Oh.

[00:59:24] Just so good.

[00:59:25] So beautiful.

[00:59:27] Yeah.

[00:59:28] He was like trying to like.

[00:59:29] Invent cameras.

[00:59:30] Digital cameras.

[00:59:31] To shoot at night.

[00:59:32] For Miami Vice.

[00:59:36] I.

[00:59:37] Love when directors become inventors.

[00:59:40] I love a James Cameron.

[00:59:41] I like when directing leads you to like.

[00:59:44] Well.

[00:59:44] I must craft something.

[00:59:45] A bathysphere.

[00:59:47] When Stanley Kubrick stole that camera lens from NASA.

[00:59:51] Yeah.

[00:59:52] The candlelit scenes in Barry Lyndon.

[00:59:55] Oh man.

[00:59:57] Barry Lyndon.

[00:59:58] That's a.

[00:59:59] That's a.

[01:00:01] Under respected Kubrick.

[01:00:03] I think actually.

[01:00:04] Very funny.

[01:00:05] It's my favorite one.

[01:00:06] Very funny movie.

[01:00:07] Yeah.

[01:00:07] You're right.

[01:00:08] Barry Lyndon.

[01:00:08] I've talked about.

[01:00:09] Barry Lyndon reminds me a lot of.

[01:00:11] Like Jody Hill.

[01:00:12] Eastbound and down.

[01:00:14] Kind of like stuff.

[01:00:15] Like.

[01:00:15] He's a buffoon.

[01:00:17] Yeah.

[01:00:17] He's just a buffoon.

[01:00:19] It's a super funny movie.

[01:00:20] Real quick here.

[01:00:21] Super unrealistic part of this movie.

[01:00:23] That like the DC police and FBI.

[01:00:25] Don't just arrest or kill this random.

[01:00:27] Yeah.

[01:00:27] He wouldn't have made it out.

[01:00:29] He sees that he's blackened.

[01:00:30] And then he's like.

[01:00:30] Oh don't shoot him.

[01:00:32] He's the black guy.

[01:00:34] Stop.

[01:00:38] But then you realize the black guy is actually like a bougie ass DC yuppie.

[01:00:42] So you don't feel sorry for him.

[01:00:45] A senator.

[01:00:46] Yes.

[01:00:51] Got you.

[01:00:58] No.

[01:01:00] Poor Freddy.

[01:01:05] Was it cut the ginger.

[01:01:07] And you know.

[01:01:18] And in this scene in the Hannibal.

[01:01:20] Chilton is completely nude and glued to the chair.

[01:01:31] Another very sort of just like chillingly real seeming murderer here.

[01:01:35] Yeah.

[01:01:36] Is that a maxi pad he has over his eyes?

[01:01:38] Yes.

[01:01:39] Yes.

[01:01:40] I think so.

[01:01:41] I don't know.

[01:01:41] But Jack back here.

[01:01:42] What you said about Barry Lyndon.

[01:01:44] Like I've never thought of it that way.

[01:01:45] Like that it is like a Danny.

[01:01:47] It's like a like an 18th century version of like a Danny McBride.

[01:01:50] Jody.

[01:01:50] Jody Hill character.

[01:01:51] And you're totally right.

[01:01:53] That's.

[01:01:54] Wow.

[01:01:54] I've been thinking about that for a while.

[01:01:57] And Freddy Lowndes of course in Red Dragon is played.

[01:02:02] Philip Seymour Hoffman.

[01:02:02] Philip Seymour Hoffman.

[01:02:03] Yes.

[01:02:06] Okay.

[01:02:06] So we got here.

[01:02:07] We got Tom Noonan here as Francis Dollarhyde.

[01:02:12] The Red Dragon.

[01:02:14] A.K.

[01:02:14] The Tooth Fairy.

[01:02:15] Um.

[01:02:17] Yeah.

[01:02:17] Oh man.

[01:02:18] Oh Jesus Christ.

[01:02:20] A guy who's great at just playing like scary looking people.

[01:02:24] In like a kind of understated way.

[01:02:26] But uh.

[01:02:26] Do you know the uh.

[01:02:27] The coolest trivia about the life of Tom Noonan.

[01:02:31] Like.

[01:02:31] About who his college freshman roommate at Yale was.

[01:02:35] No.

[01:02:35] Who's that?

[01:02:36] You never heard of this?

[01:02:36] No.

[01:02:37] I don't think so.

[01:02:38] Ben Carson.

[01:02:41] They were freshman roommates at Yale together.

[01:02:44] Wow.

[01:02:44] That's so funny.

[01:02:45] I wonder where.

[01:02:46] I wonder if there's any taste of Carson in this character.

[01:02:50] I wonder if he thought back on his uh.

[01:02:52] His old roommate.

[01:02:53] Yeah.

[01:02:54] There's an interview with him.

[01:02:55] We can look it up where he talks about it.

[01:02:56] And he was just like.

[01:02:56] Yeah.

[01:02:57] You know.

[01:02:57] I mean like we weren't really friends or anything.

[01:02:58] Or just like the only thing you remembered about.

[01:02:59] About Ben is that he like.

[01:03:00] Like just woke up every morning at like five o'clock.

[01:03:03] Put on a suit immediately.

[01:03:05] And just started doing homework.

[01:03:06] Oh no.

[01:03:16] Tom Noonan.

[01:03:18] Excellent villain here.

[01:03:19] But I also loved him in the last action hero.

[01:03:23] Yeah.

[01:03:23] Last action hero.

[01:03:24] As the Reaper.

[01:03:40] Oh this.

[01:03:41] This is really good.

[01:03:42] I like that his voice is soft in this.

[01:03:44] Yeah.

[01:03:45] Yeah.

[01:03:45] He's not like overplaying it at all.

[01:03:48] Like Ray Fiennes like.

[01:03:50] You know goes the other direction.

[01:03:51] When you know he's good.

[01:03:52] But like that movie is stupid.

[01:04:11] Fear.

[01:04:12] Is really good in this.

[01:04:14] In this version of it.

[01:04:17] It's just so quiet.

[01:04:19] And intimate.

[01:04:24] The other ones tend to go a little bit loud.

[01:04:51] Just like.

[01:04:52] A never ending shot.

[01:04:54] I love how long.

[01:04:55] Scary.

[01:04:57] No faces.

[01:04:58] Yo god.

[01:05:27] What do you think of Dollar Heist's apartment?

[01:05:30] Pretty dope.

[01:05:31] It's got sort of a.

[01:05:33] It's sick.

[01:05:33] It's got sort of a space theme to it.

[01:05:35] Mm-hmm.

[01:06:06] You're right.

[01:06:07] There's like.

[01:06:07] There's a really terrible intimacy in that scene.

[01:06:09] Yeah.

[01:06:10] It's very soft.

[01:06:11] And yeah.

[01:06:12] Like no scoring.

[01:06:13] It's a very quiet.

[01:06:14] Very quiet scene.

[01:06:28] I love the sound.

[01:06:29] The sound starts first.

[01:06:32] His expression.

[01:06:54] Jesus.

[01:06:56] Yeah.

[01:06:57] Imagine doing that and not getting caught immediately.

[01:07:01] Just dumping a guy in a wheelchair on fire out of your van or whatever.

[01:07:06] I mean I don't know.

[01:07:07] Maybe it was early enough in the morning but.

[01:07:10] Yeah.

[01:07:11] That is one thing that you know stretches for Julie.

[01:07:14] In the Hannibal series.

[01:07:16] Like he has so much time.

[01:07:18] Yeah.

[01:07:18] To do like his body art.

[01:07:20] Like there's one.

[01:07:21] The one where he brings like a fucking tree.

[01:07:24] To like the parking lot of a wall.

[01:07:26] Yeah.

[01:07:26] Yeah.

[01:07:27] Yeah.

[01:07:27] There's the judge.

[01:07:28] Which is like.

[01:07:29] Isn't it like in the.

[01:07:30] Courthouse.

[01:07:30] It's in the courthouse.

[01:07:32] In the courthouse.

[01:07:34] In the Norman Chapel in Palermo.

[01:07:37] Like making a human origami.

[01:07:39] And just sticking it in there.

[01:07:40] Like.

[01:08:07] Like I can only imagine your first time watching it.

[01:08:11] You were like for sure.

[01:08:12] This wife and child are about to get murdered.

[01:08:14] Oh yeah.

[01:08:15] Yeah.

[01:08:16] Just about to get splatted on screen.

[01:08:25] I love the language of the note too.

[01:08:28] Like save yourself.

[01:08:30] Kill them all.

[01:08:31] Very simple.

[01:08:32] It's a point.

[01:08:33] Yeah.

[01:09:15] It's just.

[01:09:15] It's just me.

[01:09:16] A guy with a shotgun.

[01:09:18] Don't be afraid.

[01:09:22] Look.

[01:09:22] He hasn't even put the shotgun away.

[01:09:24] He's like pointing it at her.

[01:09:26] It's like.

[01:09:27] That's.

[01:09:28] It's a muzzle discipline dude.

[01:09:29] Come on.

[01:10:06] Like yeah.

[01:10:06] Like in this version.

[01:10:07] His wife basically.

[01:10:08] Like doesn't want him to go back and investigate this case.

[01:10:11] Cause she knows it will.

[01:10:12] You know invariably lead to some outcome like this.

[01:10:15] But.

[01:10:15] In the TV show.

[01:10:17] Will's wife like totally encourages him to do it.

[01:10:19] And then like him and her.

[01:10:21] Her and her child almost get killed by.

[01:10:23] Like the red dragon actually does make it to their house.

[01:10:29] And then he leaves her for Hannibal.

[01:10:32] Yeah.

[01:10:32] And then he just bounces.

[01:10:33] He just ghosts her.

[01:10:35] I'm gonna be real.

[01:10:35] I forgot he had a wife.

[01:10:37] I just fucked her out.

[01:10:38] Yeah.

[01:10:38] I mean it's like.

[01:10:40] There's nothing wrong with the character.

[01:10:42] But.

[01:10:43] But they deliver.

[01:10:44] They literally cast her to be like as.

[01:10:46] Normal and real.

[01:10:48] Like a real person in this like.

[01:10:50] Mm-hmm.

[01:10:51] Fucking gothic horror world.

[01:10:53] I really like the character.

[01:10:55] But yeah.

[01:10:55] Like you forget that she.

[01:10:57] Exists.

[01:10:58] As at the most convenient time possible.

[01:11:01] So you can get the happy ending of Will and Hannibal.

[01:11:09] So amazing brands in this shot here.

[01:11:12] I love the framing.

[01:11:13] Whoops dips.

[01:11:13] With all these real products.

[01:11:15] They're grits.

[01:11:21] Fruit and fiber.

[01:11:22] Great nuts.

[01:11:23] Yeah.

[01:11:24] Oh Mr. T cereal right there.

[01:11:27] Wow.

[01:11:27] What a fucking time capsule.

[01:11:32] I always like when brands show up in movies in artful ways.

[01:11:35] Because it gives you a sense of like this is like a real world.

[01:11:38] Because like it's when they're sort of excluded or like it might seem crass or something.

[01:11:43] It gives a sense of unreality.

[01:11:45] Because like the texture of so much of our everyday life is just so papered with all this bullshit.

[01:11:50] Like all these different.

[01:11:51] Oh the snack packs man.

[01:11:53] I used to love those as a kid.

[01:11:54] It is also you know.

[01:11:55] It's like.

[01:11:55] There'd be like two good cereals and then five.

[01:11:57] Right.

[01:11:58] I feel like.

[01:11:59] I feel like.

[01:12:00] You fight your brother or sister to get that one little fruit loops or golden grams or something.

[01:12:04] And then you'd have like.

[01:12:05] Yeah.

[01:12:05] You can't like you know portray a contemporaneous America without putting some logos in.

[01:12:11] For real.

[01:12:11] Yeah.

[01:12:11] Like it kind of helps place it in the right era too.

[01:12:14] Like you're like oh this is really the 90s.

[01:12:17] Like look at the logos.

[01:12:18] But also like most of these.

[01:12:18] Most of these brands like the box looks a little different.

[01:12:20] But all these shit.

[01:12:21] All these shit still exists.

[01:12:22] Oh yeah.

[01:12:22] If you've been walking around most supermarkets.

[01:12:24] Yeah.

[01:12:25] Or drop shadow on the logos.

[01:12:27] That's pretty much it.

[01:12:28] Mm hmm.

[01:12:35] Well he'll tell his son about it.

[01:12:36] That's weird.

[01:12:37] Yeah.

[01:12:38] Yeah.

[01:12:38] As a small man.

[01:12:39] As a small man.

[01:12:41] Listen.

[01:12:41] Listen.

[01:12:42] Son.

[01:12:42] You're going to have to be doing hard work someday too.

[01:12:58] You're just like blocking the aisle.

[01:12:59] Yeah.

[01:13:00] To relay his story of the time he was almost murdered by a serial killer.

[01:13:04] Back in the 90s the aisles were wider.

[01:13:06] The aisles were wider back then.

[01:13:08] Folks.

[01:13:09] Folks.

[01:13:09] We're going to make the aisles.

[01:13:13] They're too narrow.

[01:13:14] They are too narrow.

[01:13:15] I get trapped in the aisles.

[01:13:17] I'm good.

[01:13:20] Trex cereal.

[01:13:21] Very good.

[01:13:22] Count Chocula.

[01:13:23] Lucky Charms.

[01:13:24] Booberry.

[01:13:24] Do they still have?

[01:13:25] I don't think they still have Booberry and Count Chocula.

[01:13:28] They did it seasonally.

[01:13:29] Yeah.

[01:13:30] Or the past few years they had.

[01:13:31] And what is it?

[01:13:36] It's like a Frankenstein fruit.

[01:13:37] Yeah.

[01:13:37] Yeah.

[01:13:38] Like that's a strawberry one.

[01:13:41] Frankenberry.

[01:13:42] Yeah.

[01:13:51] Country Corn Flakes.

[01:13:53] I don't recognize that one.

[01:13:54] Oh yeah.

[01:13:54] I've never seen that.

[01:13:55] What is that mean?

[01:13:56] Yeah.

[01:13:57] I don't know.

[01:13:57] What's the difference between that and regular Corn Flakes?

[01:13:59] Just instead.

[01:14:00] As opposed to Kellogg's.

[01:14:01] I assume.

[01:14:02] It's a country.

[01:14:04] All right.

[01:14:04] No, no.

[01:14:06] Let's see the coffee here.

[01:14:08] Because you like that Folger stuff, right?

[01:14:10] Okay.

[01:14:10] This is the time capsule element of this scene here.

[01:14:13] Because like until about, I don't know, 1999, I think there was not a single good grain

[01:14:20] of coffee available in America.

[01:14:24] Yeah.

[01:14:24] It's all the plastic jugs filled with like pre-ground coffee.

[01:14:28] That does set us in a time period.

[01:14:30] That was tin back then.

[01:14:32] At least Folger's was, I remember.

[01:14:34] It was like a tin can.

[01:14:35] My dad would buy like the biggest ones and go through it.

[01:14:38] Like he would drink coffee every fucking day.

[01:14:50] This was just, you know, a different time in America where like a family of, you know,

[01:14:57] three or four can live on the salary of catching, that you get from catching like one serial

[01:15:02] killer every three years.

[01:15:05] Like you get like a, you get a nice house.

[01:15:07] You get a beach house too for like.

[01:15:09] Yeah.

[01:15:10] It's like, there's being a, there's being an FBI like mind hunter.

[01:15:13] Like how often are you really working?

[01:15:14] It's like what I wonder about firefighters.

[01:15:15] It's just like, what are they doing most of the time?

[01:15:19] There's not that many fires.

[01:15:20] It's like, you know, just kind of hanging out most of the time, eating chili.

[01:15:33] He's like, no, I want it to go on.

[01:15:40] Women don't understand.

[01:15:42] If you were a man, you would understand.

[01:15:43] Women just want murderers to continue.

[01:15:45] They don't care.

[01:15:46] And Brian Fuller saw the scene.

[01:15:48] He's like, you know what?

[01:15:49] The wife is actually going to be one to tell them to do it.

[01:15:51] They're not putting this shit on me.

[01:15:55] Also another time, everybody in America smoked until Michael Mann's The Insider came

[01:15:59] out and we learned tobacco was bad for you.

[01:16:05] Oh, shut up.

[01:16:09] You old ball and Shane.

[01:16:11] Imagine having a husband who got cut up like that.

[01:16:14] And then seeing in the paper that he was talking to Lecter and you're like, are you okay?

[01:16:17] And he's like, I don't want to talk to you.

[01:16:18] I'm going to Georgia.

[01:16:21] Go see your dad.

[01:16:24] Why don't you get out of my hair for a little bit?

[01:16:42] Wonderful score.

[01:16:43] Classic addressing the killer looking at himself.

[01:16:47] Monologue here.

[01:16:51] Wow.

[01:16:54] The vibes.

[01:16:55] This is what I imagine myself like every time I look out a window at night.

[01:17:00] This is all I'm thinking of.

[01:17:05] Wasn't talking to you.

[01:17:06] Shut up.

[01:17:09] It's another woman annoying me.

[01:17:12] Yeah.

[01:17:13] Turn.

[01:17:13] Look.

[01:17:14] Oh, so intense.

[01:17:17] So intense.

[01:17:18] Just you and me now, sport.

[01:17:20] Oh, man.

[01:17:24] God damn it.

[01:17:28] So good.

[01:17:29] You came after me.

[01:17:30] You came after my family.

[01:17:43] And now we really get to meet Dollar Hyde.

[01:17:46] Yeah.

[01:17:47] And like, okay, so like this movie and I guess book really does a lot.

[01:17:52] Again, like talk about a time capsule thing.

[01:17:54] This idea that like any, if you've ever like, you know, taken family photos, like you'd have

[01:17:59] to send them to go get developed.

[01:18:01] You know, you had to go get developed.

[01:18:01] Which meant there would be like some fucking creep or random looking at whatever, whatever you shot, you know?

[01:18:07] Like, whereas now we all take it for granted that, you know, we can take a picture of our penis whenever we want.

[01:18:13] Without anyone else but the intended, you know, person looking at it.

[01:18:16] But like, yeah, everyone who developed film was a serial killer, probably.

[01:18:20] I love his wardrobe with the blue lighting.

[01:18:22] Oh, God.

[01:18:23] Oh, he's got, oh, Dollar Hyde's got some fits in this.

[01:18:25] Those printed, like the print shirts that he's wearing.

[01:18:29] I love that shirt.

[01:18:30] What would even be Dollar Hyde's job in like the future, the black reboot of?

[01:18:39] Oh, he'd be one of those like Facebook moderators that just deletes like pornography.

[01:18:45] Oh, he looks at all the snuff stuff on Facebook.

[01:18:48] That's the only equivalent.

[01:18:49] Yeah.

[01:18:50] That gets traumatized and they can only get a picture on it.

[01:18:53] I think it's funny that like as the years go on, like his job gets more traumatizing because he starts out.

[01:18:59] Yeah, it gets worse and worse.

[01:19:02] That's his serial killer backstory.

[01:19:04] No, like, I mean, this is like a real skill that he's like, you know, he knows a lot about film

[01:19:08] and developing film and stuff like that.

[01:19:10] Like now he'd just be like a digital gardener for Google or something.

[01:19:36] Good excuse.

[01:20:07] He's like this guy's a typical 80s guy who's like, I got a fly, baby.

[01:20:10] I'm out of here.

[01:20:11] I got my skinny tie.

[01:20:15] If someone was like, he can drive you home, I'd be like, no, I'm fine.

[01:20:18] Thank you.

[01:20:19] I'll walk.

[01:20:19] I'm good.

[01:20:20] I'm good.

[01:20:40] I've always liked, I like this character in all the portrayals.

[01:20:42] She's really like interesting and smart and kind and sexy.

[01:20:49] Joan Allen in this version.

[01:20:52] Joan Allen, a former next door neighbor to my parents.

[01:21:21] Played by Emily Watson in Red Dragon.

[01:21:24] And who's the name of the actress on Hannibal?

[01:21:27] She was in True Blood.

[01:21:29] She was Sookie's best friend in True Blood.

[01:21:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:21:31] She's really good.

[01:21:32] Sort of.

[01:21:45] Martina Wesley.

[01:21:46] Honestly, yeah.

[01:21:56] Okay, now, this scene coming up here, right?

[01:22:00] This is Francis Dollarhead.

[01:22:02] It's super creepy.

[01:22:04] Everyone's like, you know he's a serial killer and it's this blind woman he's taking on a date.

[01:22:08] I could never in a billion years come up with a first date that is as good or as low-key erotic

[01:22:16] as taking a blind woman to go feel a tiger.

[01:22:20] Like, a huge credit for him.

[01:22:22] Like, pulling this out of the bag.

[01:22:24] I mean, how impressed would you be on a first date with anyone where you're like, I got a surprise for you.

[01:22:29] You're gonna go, you can go hang out with a tiger that's like under heavy sedation.

[01:22:34] Fucking any of that's cool.

[01:22:35] And this is a real tiger, too.

[01:22:37] I mean, incredible.

[01:22:39] It's just incredible to see.

[01:22:42] And it's just like, it's so like low-key erotic, too.

[01:22:46] Well, the music definitely helps.

[01:22:48] Yeah.

[01:22:49] And the way that it's shot.

[01:22:58] Oh, man.

[01:22:58] Look at those.

[01:23:04] No, this is the best first date ever portrayed in any art or film.

[01:23:08] Yeah, and we get to enjoy it alongside, too, vicariously.

[01:23:11] Because I've never seen a tiger quite like that before, either.

[01:23:15] Yeah.

[01:23:23] That freaked me out a little bit.

[01:23:26] I'd want a lot of assurances it really was.

[01:23:28] It was gonna pop up.

[01:23:30] We'll have to ask Emma if the tiger is treated humanely here.

[01:23:34] Yeah, yeah.

[01:23:35] Probably not.

[01:23:36] I don't want Emma to get mad at us.

[01:23:38] Yeah.

[01:23:38] This is like this interesting moment of sweetness centered around this wild animal that could

[01:24:05] just rip you limb from limb, which is, of course, the perfect metaphor for this relationship

[01:24:10] between Frances and her.

[01:24:14] Mm-hmm.

[01:24:34] What is this shirt he's wearing?

[01:24:36] I know.

[01:24:37] It's like casual wear.

[01:24:38] Is it laundry day or something?

[01:24:41] This guy has been dressed like actually like steampunk Satan for the entire movie.

[01:24:47] Or something?

[01:24:49] And there it is.

[01:24:51] And I have to say, you know, I think William Blake owes a little bit of thanks and gratitude

[01:25:18] to Thomas Harris.

[01:25:20] Like he's moving a lot of products because of his inclusion.

[01:25:24] Oh, yeah.

[01:25:25] His work.

[01:25:42] Like his apartment is just really nice and clean and laid out.

[01:25:46] There's nothing disorganized about it.

[01:25:49] Oh, it's fucked up.

[01:25:51] Oh, God.

[01:25:52] Yeah, it's so fucked up because he's blind.

[01:25:54] Yeah, like.

[01:26:07] Man, the eight, the like super eight home video footage is like really, really effective.

[01:26:14] Yeah.

[01:26:15] And this is like, this is what movies do to you.

[01:26:19] Yeah.

[01:26:20] They make you horny in a very bad way.

[01:26:32] I love the editing choices here, too.

[01:27:00] I'm surprised he doesn't push it off and just says, like, I kind of got my own thing going on right now.

[01:27:04] Like, I'm good.

[01:27:06] Like, hey.

[01:27:07] Women, am I right?

[01:27:08] God.

[01:27:09] I'm trying to watch the movie.

[01:27:24] Everything is like galaxy themed in his house.

[01:27:29] Song choice is so good.

[01:27:32] When he drops the lyrical songs.

[01:27:35] Yeah, yeah.

[01:27:35] The one that he has to is pretty great as well.

[01:27:48] He's like, I don't know what to do with my hands.

[01:27:50] What do I do?

[01:27:51] Yeah.

[01:27:52] Frank Mantis.

[01:27:52] Frank Mantis.

[01:27:53] Yeah.

[01:28:10] Like, the movie really, like, this movie does really kind of like, it does make you feel bad for Francis in a way.

[01:28:16] Really like, or you just, you see like, the line like, this is a very shy boy, Will.

[01:28:20] Like, unlike, for instance, like Buffalo Bill or any other killers who are just, you know, just kind of just straight monsters or like deviants.

[01:28:29] Like, there's something like very, you see how damaged he is as a person.

[01:28:33] Like, or just sort of like his, I suppose his sensitive side or something, but like you feel intensely this, this like, this longing not to kill people, I guess.

[01:28:45] Or like to connect with another person or something.

[01:28:49] Like, he's not just purely terrifying, although he is as well.

[01:28:53] So that's what I like about this performance.

[01:28:55] It's like, like I said, that softness, that quietness, that line about, like I said, yeah, this is a very shy boy.

[01:29:01] He's still so weird.

[01:29:13] Yeah.

[01:29:26] Yeah.

[01:29:26] I love that this movie like kind of introduces you to the killer at an hour in.

[01:29:30] Like, we do not see this actor before an hour in, which is wild to begin with.

[01:29:34] And then we like live with him for such a long time.

[01:29:38] And like, like you're saying, like, not even in like the most hyper ominous scenes.

[01:29:43] It's such an interesting movie.

[01:29:46] Like, you could easily cut it up where it was more like evenly spaced where you see him much earlier and you see these scenes much earlier.

[01:29:55] But I do like the shift where it's like a two part, you know, movie and they come together at the end.

[01:30:01] But see, the problem is Dollar High is getting distracted from his work.

[01:30:36] And as a man, yes.

[01:30:39] Yeah.

[01:30:41] He needs to get back on the ball.

[01:31:00] Another amazing, like glow and like sun, sun, sun, sun.

[01:31:05] Yeah.

[01:31:09] I'm sure they had like a 15 minute window to shoot that.

[01:31:12] Oh, my God.

[01:31:13] Can't imagine.

[01:31:14] Those were the days when you could go outside.

[01:31:18] Yeah.

[01:31:19] I'm jealous.

[01:31:20] How are you?

[01:31:26] He just hugs her.

[01:31:27] Yeah.

[01:31:28] Pre-COVID, you can just go with a stranger to feel a tiger and then have sex with them and not worry about any of it, even if they are a serial killer.

[01:31:50] It's like we figured out he has a van.

[01:31:52] Okay.

[01:31:54] Thanks.

[01:31:55] Six months into the investigation.

[01:31:58] Talk to hot singles in your prisons.

[01:32:25] It's like he's like, it's like a like, like girls chat where you're on your bed, like with your legs kicked up, you know, just like.

[01:32:32] Doing his nails.

[01:32:33] Doing your nails.

[01:32:33] Yeah, that's pretty.

[01:32:57] Leslie, does Garrett Jacob Hobbs figure in the book Red Dragon a lot?

[01:33:00] Do they describe him?

[01:33:01] Just like this.

[01:33:03] Just as that, like it's just another guy that he caught and killed.

[01:33:09] That's terrific.

[01:33:13] Hannibal was an early new atheist.

[01:33:22] You know, I really wish we could have seen that Hannibal and Hitchens tour, but then Hitchens got sick.

[01:33:27] I think that's, if he's in Atlanta, I think that's the Sundial restaurant behind Will.

[01:33:35] I'm like trying to Google it.

[01:33:37] It's this whole area of downtown.

[01:33:40] That looks kind of like the Sundial.

[01:33:57] I like in this one, Will just is really like annoyed by Lecter mostly.

[01:34:02] Yeah.

[01:34:03] He doesn't want to talk to him for like a second longer than he needs to, which is again realistic.

[01:34:55] Look, I hate to be judgmental, but looking at kind of that like mantle and interior decoration, I kind of feel less sorry for the family now.

[01:35:07] Oh, I love that.

[01:35:08] So creepy.

[01:35:09] Oh, wow.

[01:35:09] So fucking creepy.

[01:35:12] That's like out of, God, what's the second Michael Mann movie that is so fucking weird?

[01:35:17] The Keep.

[01:35:19] Oh, The Keep.

[01:35:19] That's like out of The Keep.

[01:35:20] Yeah, yeah.

[01:35:21] Just kept that technique in his back pocket.

[01:35:23] I kind of like The Keep, but it is very weird.

[01:35:27] I actually love The Keep as a second movie for Michael Mann where he's like, you know what?

[01:35:32] Let's make like a big sci-fi thing.

[01:35:33] And then he's like, okay, back to hyper-realistic police stuff.

[01:36:15] Damn.

[01:36:16] That's what happens.

[01:36:36] Yes, I am.

[01:36:41] Like he's already listened to the like this.

[01:36:43] I mean, like really like intense acting here by Noonan.

[01:36:46] Like the heartbreak and agony and just sort of like terror in his face.

[01:36:51] I like the little effect with this show.

[01:36:54] Like, you know, like this is what he's seeing.

[01:36:56] I mean, they're making her look like the woman in the Blake drawing.

[01:37:56] The rise and fall of that relationship happens a lot faster in this movie than the other things.

[01:38:02] Yeah.

[01:38:03] Yeah.

[01:38:09] Like he does the classic Tony Montana move where Tony Montana shoots his best friend because

[01:38:16] he's just fucking his sister as opposed to being married.

[01:38:26] I'm going back.

[01:38:27] Father, forgive me.

[01:38:28] I'm going back to the old me.

[01:38:31] All right.

[01:38:33] This is my favorite scene in the movie here.

[01:38:36] Great shot.

[01:38:41] When like this montage of just like, or not montage, like this monologue of just Will

[01:38:46] figuring it out and like going toe to toe with asshole Jack Crawford.

[01:39:05] Lecter got bars.

[01:39:08] Well, sure.

[01:39:09] Yeah.

[01:39:09] Yeah.

[01:39:10] One does as God does.

[01:39:11] Yeah.

[01:39:11] Of course.

[01:39:18] We got some bonus stuff here.

[01:39:20] Bonus, bonus feature.

[01:39:27] And like he gets all this because he's watching TV.

[01:39:30] Like he's watching the film just like Dollar Hyde.

[01:39:32] It's like this repeated motif of like watching film and video.

[01:39:35] Yeah.

[01:39:39] That's why I own this movie on DVD so I can watch it over and over and over again.

[01:39:49] He's so pissed off.

[01:39:52] Like, how the fuck am I supposed to know what he's using?

[01:39:55] Don't you have a whole lab team to figure this shit out?

[01:40:04] I like the printout from the computers.

[01:40:07] The computer runs.

[01:40:11] Yeah.

[01:40:11] Yeah.

[01:40:12] I love this where he puts Jack in his place in a way Will Graham and Hugh Dancy never does.

[01:40:43] Yeah.

[01:40:44] Yes.

[01:40:44] Yes.

[01:40:45] Go as late as I want to take it.

[01:40:52] And Jack salts.

[01:41:27] See, this is just an example of something like a really cool idea drifting down and becoming horrible.

[01:41:33] So Will Graham is supposed to be special, a one of a kind genius.

[01:41:37] But every single cop and detective and every single like CSI, law and order, etc.

[01:41:42] is exactly as like intuitive as Will now.

[01:41:46] They all can just look at the videotape and figure it out.

[01:41:50] The MO and all that shit.

[01:42:12] Yeah.

[01:42:12] Shut up.

[01:42:49] Don't you, my man.

[01:43:08] Back to some work print stuff.

[01:43:10] I just got to put in repeated lines that I guess were cut for time.

[01:43:14] Yeah.

[01:43:14] It's just an odd choice.

[01:43:15] It's just like, I have to have this.

[01:43:16] Yeah.

[01:43:17] It is funny that man is like, I always wanted the repeat.

[01:43:21] Yeah.

[01:43:22] It always annoyed me.

[01:43:30] Because so far at this point, to me, it's like, why even bother doing the director's cut?

[01:43:35] But it's like, he actually took the time and for some reason, these little things.

[01:43:40] Listen, I love a weird nitpicky director's cut.

[01:43:43] Yeah, it's funny.

[01:43:43] It's interesting.

[01:43:44] It's interesting.

[01:43:45] I like a Blade Runner big change too.

[01:43:48] But I also like, I love a director that's just like, I want five seconds back in.

[01:43:53] I need the five seconds back.

[01:43:55] I get it.

[01:43:55] I'm like that too.

[01:43:57] Also, if you're editing a movie and someone's like, we need to lose that.

[01:44:00] And you're like, I disagree.

[01:44:01] That sticks with you forever.

[01:44:02] There's still like sketch comedy that I'm like, that was bullshit actually.

[01:44:06] They made me trim that part.

[01:44:22] Again, this is me.

[01:44:23] Yeah.

[01:44:23] This is me.

[01:44:24] Yeah.

[01:44:24] This is what I think about myself.

[01:44:28] Yeah.

[01:44:32] I love it.

[01:44:34] Like a, an electric guitar, like just blaring as a man is like looking out the window, working

[01:44:41] as hard as he can work.

[01:44:46] Oh, wow.

[01:44:47] Yeah.

[01:44:49] This is, this is me after I fire off a Blade post.

[01:44:53] I know it's coming.

[01:44:54] Set your phone down gently in time.

[01:44:56] Yeah.

[01:45:21] Back to our sort of the actual, like the love story of this movie.

[01:45:27] Since Hannibal and Will aren't really that close in this one.

[01:45:31] This is a love story.

[01:45:34] It is.

[01:45:35] I think it is a bit sadder in Red Dragon and the series because you see the relationship

[01:45:39] just go on longer and you see that dollar high actually is kind of like a good guy aside

[01:45:46] from the serial killing.

[01:45:51] Yeah.

[01:45:51] This one is just like a, like immediately flips on a switch.

[01:45:57] It just gets jealous like the same, like the next day.

[01:46:05] I agree with her.

[01:46:06] This song kind of does suck.

[01:46:17] So scary in a different way.

[01:46:26] We all see Wait Until Dark.

[01:46:27] I think it's called the Audrey Hepburn where she's blind and the Alan Arkin is like in her

[01:46:32] house trying to kill her.

[01:46:34] It's really good.

[01:47:00] I wonder, did this, did this blow people's fucking minds, phones on the airplane in 1986?

[01:47:06] I think there's a fax machine at one point.

[01:47:11] All right.

[01:47:11] So here we got Frankie Faison who is in both Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal as the orderly

[01:47:16] at the Baltimore Psychiatric Institute.

[01:47:18] I always liked that Hannibal was nice to that character.

[01:47:25] And then fucking Clarice comes back and like takes the money that he made off of selling

[01:47:31] the mask.

[01:47:32] Yeah.

[01:47:32] I always see a fucking cop-ass move.

[01:47:52] They're like, yeah, it's him.

[01:47:54] Look how fucking creepy he looks.

[01:48:00] The data facts.

[01:48:03] Fast.

[01:48:07] It'll be downloading for the next 30 minutes.

[01:48:09] Oh, wow.

[01:48:15] So good.

[01:48:22] Oh, I love the facts.

[01:48:25] The facts looks good.

[01:48:27] The color facts looks very good.

[01:48:29] That is the bleeding edge right there.

[01:48:32] The color facts.

[01:48:33] Only the FBI had that.

[01:48:35] That actually was stolen from alien UFOs.

[01:48:39] It was a reverse engineer for the Roswell draft.

[01:48:50] Michael Mann loves airplanes, too.

[01:48:52] The great scene of Miami Vice where they're flying the two planes next to each other to

[01:48:56] make one radar signature.

[01:48:58] Yeah.

[01:48:58] And then they just drop off to fly below the radar level.

[01:49:02] It was a great shot of being on a jet and the insider, too.

[01:49:11] Like the Mississippi, like attorney general.

[01:49:15] They're talking to him on the phone.

[01:49:17] Great shot.

[01:49:19] I love the speed into the car.

[01:49:22] I love the speed from the plane to the car.

[01:49:25] It's so good.

[01:49:27] You could not do that any faster.

[01:49:38] That's a great shot.

[01:49:48] Well, what do you think of in a God of the Vida?

[01:49:50] Yeah.

[01:49:52] I mean, it's not a song I would listen to, like, you know, on my own.

[01:49:55] But as far as in this scene, in this movie, it's fucking great.

[01:49:59] Awesome.

[01:50:00] Oh, those chairs.

[01:50:05] Yeah.

[01:50:06] Shannon, you're absolutely right about his breakfast nook.

[01:50:09] It's pretty incredible stuff.

[01:50:11] Beautiful.

[01:50:15] So tense.

[01:50:16] Jesus.

[01:50:20] The house.

[01:50:23] People keep talking back to Will.

[01:50:26] First women, now it's his coworkers.

[01:50:34] You don't need said no FBI guy ever.

[01:50:38] Yeah, ever.

[01:50:41] Dude, just leave a gun in the car.

[01:50:43] It's fine.

[01:50:43] It'll probably be okay.

[01:50:47] Dude, I got these sweet dumb-dumb bullets.

[01:50:49] I'm going to fucking use them.

[01:50:50] The dumb-dumbs.

[01:51:20] Dumbass cops.

[01:51:22] Oh, I drove into a ditch.

[01:51:25] Uh-oh.

[01:51:26] I love that that happens.

[01:51:30] These are bad.

[01:51:40] They've driven into another ditch a little further down the road.

[01:51:44] This is so good.

[01:52:12] This is how you hunt a man.

[01:52:18] And we're back in the forest in a full suit.

[01:52:23] This is nighttime.

[01:52:24] Crazy.

[01:52:33] Hurry up, dude.

[01:52:33] Yeah, I like it.

[01:52:34] You just take it.

[01:52:34] Will just continues to take its time.

[01:52:36] I can't quite make out what's going on.

[01:52:40] Another amazing shirt Noonan's got rocking right here.

[01:52:45] Looks like they someone made a shirt out of the joint.

[01:52:47] Yeah.

[01:53:12] He's sweating now.

[01:53:13] He's in the situation again.

[01:53:32] Stop it.

[01:53:33] Yeah.

[01:53:34] You got to say it a little louder, dude.

[01:53:37] I love this.

[01:53:38] It's no plan at all.

[01:53:41] To be fair, Will was never like the FBI's, like, you know, tactics guy.

[01:53:46] It felt to me like he was imagining what he would do in this situation.

[01:53:50] He was like, oh, I fucking gutter right now.

[01:53:52] So stop it, dude.

[01:53:55] I love this.

[01:53:58] So good.

[01:53:59] Oh, yeah.

[01:54:00] Just.

[01:54:01] Oh, yeah.

[01:54:02] Just straight through the fucking window.

[01:54:04] Oh, yeah.

[01:54:07] There we go.

[01:54:08] And then right into his hands.

[01:54:10] He just grabs him and then he just slashes his face like.

[01:54:13] Oh, my God.

[01:54:16] He just manhandles him.

[01:54:21] Oh, yeah.

[01:54:23] Oh, yeah.

[01:54:26] He's fucking wasted.

[01:54:27] It is not a very good plan.

[01:54:29] He jumps through glass and then gets the shit beaten out of him.

[01:54:34] Oh, my God.

[01:54:36] Damn.

[01:54:37] Yeah.

[01:54:37] Because in this dollar high is like seven feet tall.

[01:54:40] It's supposed to be.

[01:54:43] Oh, wow.

[01:54:44] So cool.

[01:54:45] I like the little mini slow mo.

[01:54:48] Oh, God.

[01:54:50] No.

[01:54:50] They even show his brains getting blown out of the back.

[01:54:53] Fuck me.

[01:54:54] It's just fucking Cobb Holocaust.

[01:54:56] Yeah.

[01:55:01] Well, they just walk into his line of fire.

[01:55:03] I think this whole this this last sequence here in the house.

[01:55:06] I think like Michael Mann, I think actually filmed this all himself in like a day or just

[01:55:11] in one night because they had totally run out of money or something like that.

[01:55:18] But it turned out perfect.

[01:55:21] Yeah.

[01:55:26] I like that he's just using that shotgun like a pistol.

[01:55:30] One handed.

[01:55:31] By the way, the FBI guy who gave him this gun and bullets was lying about it.

[01:55:35] About how one shot would all be.

[01:55:37] That cut doesn't look that bad.

[01:55:55] All things considered.

[01:56:10] Just the best collection of just skies.

[01:56:12] Yes.

[01:56:12] Oh, yeah.

[01:56:13] In this film.

[01:56:29] Cops.

[01:56:29] Absolutely fucking useless.

[01:56:33] Just stepping all over the crime scene.

[01:56:42] Jack not even there.

[01:56:44] Where is Jack even at right now?

[01:56:47] Yeah.

[01:57:11] Yeah.

[01:57:12] Here's Jack Crawford.

[01:57:13] He's like, what did I miss?

[01:57:15] All right.

[01:57:16] Take a roll.

[01:57:16] I think okay.

[01:57:30] One thing this movie does differently and I think most of this stuff doesn't do.

[01:57:34] Dollar High doesn't kill, do a killing of the families during the film.

[01:57:40] It's just like at the beginning.

[01:57:43] Most of them, they will like show us a family, show us him haunting them.

[01:57:47] This part is totally new to me.

[01:57:49] This is like very direct.

[01:57:50] I've never seen this part.

[01:57:57] What in the world?

[01:57:58] Yeah, really?

[01:58:00] Oh, this is the new ending.

[01:58:02] Yeah, this is the director's cut ending.

[01:58:06] There's a very slight weird different ending.

[01:58:11] Oh, is this the family he would have killed?

[01:58:13] Oh, wow.

[01:58:29] Freaking scary.

[01:58:30] It is a weird scene.

[01:58:32] It is a weird scene.

[01:58:33] Interesting.

[01:58:40] Nothing creepy about that.

[01:58:41] Yeah.

[01:58:43] All right.

[01:58:44] Well, see you later.

[01:58:50] Heartbeat.

[01:58:51] There we go.

[01:58:52] There we go.

[01:58:52] Yeah, now it's back.

[01:58:53] Yeah.

[01:58:55] It's an odd choice.

[01:58:56] It's an odd choice.

[01:58:58] That's really interesting to me.

[01:58:59] It's like.

[01:59:00] I like it.

[01:59:01] It's like he sort of is like, yeah, it's him using psychology.

[01:59:04] He's like, he did.

[01:59:05] Like, did he go out and jerk off like after that?

[01:59:08] Yeah.

[01:59:09] Yeah.

[01:59:10] He's like, I've been fantasizing about killing you and your family for the last couple

[01:59:13] weeks.

[01:59:14] I just had to get it out of my system, if you don't mind.

[01:59:17] Did I take a look around your house?

[01:59:18] Do you have any pets?

[01:59:19] I don't know.

[01:59:20] Michael, I think you were right about that.

[01:59:21] You should have put that in.

[01:59:22] They should have let you keep that in.

[01:59:24] Yeah.

[01:59:26] Yeah.

[01:59:26] Those shorts.

[01:59:27] I love it.

[01:59:28] Great.

[01:59:29] Those are back in style now.

[01:59:32] I like that she's wearing full like linen pants on the beach.

[01:59:35] Yeah.

[01:59:42] Yeah.

[01:59:42] Because I always thought the ending of this was so celebratory and 80s and kind of pure

[01:59:48] in a way that surprised me for Michael Mann.

[01:59:52] And so that extra scene kind of like darkens it slightly a little bit.

[01:59:58] Yeah.

[01:59:59] I like the way it changes the tone and it's super weird.

[02:00:01] Instead of just the heartbeat song and him kissing his wife.

[02:00:04] Yeah.

[02:00:05] It's like a little bit.

[02:00:14] Wow.

[02:00:15] Done with the job?

[02:00:16] Yes.

[02:00:16] Back to the wife.

[02:00:17] Back to the beach.

[02:00:19] He should go back to the same log.

[02:00:20] He should go back to the same log as the beginning and go back to repose until the next mind

[02:00:26] hunt is needed.

[02:00:27] His Jimmy Buffett lifestyle.

[02:00:31] It's just back in Margaritaville.

[02:00:33] Cheeseburger in paradise for my wife and kid.

[02:00:36] Now that all the evil people have been taken care of.

[02:00:39] Maybe there's a scene of the son's bedroom and there's like a cat tied up in it or something

[02:00:44] like that.

[02:00:45] Wow.

[02:00:46] Maybe that'll be the director's edition.

[02:00:47] So good.

[02:00:48] But yeah.

[02:00:51] Man.

[02:00:52] Yeah.

[02:00:53] Good shit.

[02:00:53] That's a, that's a, you know.

[02:00:56] That's a manhunt, boy.

[02:00:57] That's a manhunt.

[02:01:00] You know, it's so hard to rank any of the adaptations.

[02:01:04] I think Hannibal, the TV series, is still my favorite.

[02:01:07] But if I'm talking about what's number two, you know, it depends on the day of the week.

[02:01:12] But like sometimes my, um, Manhunter is my favorite, you know, some more than Silence

[02:01:17] of the Lambs.

[02:01:18] Uh, after Hannibal, of course.

[02:01:21] And they're, they're very hard to compare.

[02:01:23] They're, they're two, they're two vastly different movies, but I mean, they're, they're both,

[02:01:27] like I said, I think they're both masterpieces, but like, I agree with you.

[02:01:30] It's just sort of day of the week, whatever I'm feeling.

[02:01:33] But Manhunter definitely deserves to be in the conversation.

[02:01:37] Like anyone who would just flatly say like the Silence of the Lambs is like easily better,

[02:01:42] uh, is untrustworthy in my opinion.

[02:01:45] Sam, what do you think?

[02:01:49] I think I'd have to rewatch Silence of the Lambs.

[02:01:51] Because this movie is a lot more like artful in its presentation and so much more subtle,

[02:01:57] but then it's just kind of apples and oranges because Silence of the Lambs also has so many

[02:02:01] just like, at least in my like film memory, deeply embedded iconic scenes.

[02:02:07] Oh yeah, definitely.

[02:02:09] They're both just such like, you know, uh, uh, exemplar pieces of like the kind of like

[02:02:16] decade of film.

[02:02:18] You know what I mean?

[02:02:18] Like Silence of the Lambs, even though it is like a 91 movie, it's like so 90s of a movie.

[02:02:24] You know what I mean?

[02:02:25] And this is like so 80s of a movie.

[02:02:28] It's like, I don't know.

[02:02:29] It's like, it just depends on what kind of like mood I'm in.

[02:02:33] If I like the kind of like glossy, you know, like, you know, like glossily lit 90s movies

[02:02:40] or this kind of like 80s thing.

[02:02:42] Like they're both, they're both pinnacle pieces.

[02:02:46] Yeah.

[02:02:47] It's basically like, uh, it's just, yeah, my mood is either I want to see the color blue

[02:02:52] or the color brown.

[02:02:55] And that's what I'll decide by.

[02:02:57] Well, folks, that was our commentary.

[02:02:59] Will, thank you so much for joining us.

[02:03:01] Yeah, thanks for coming.

[02:03:02] A pleasure.

[02:03:03] Where can people find you?

[02:03:05] Uh, at Will Meniker on Twitter.

[02:03:07] And, uh, the podcast is Chapo Trap House.

[02:03:11] All right, folks.

[02:03:12] Uh, thank you so much for listening.

[02:03:13] Have a good one.

[02:03:14] Peace.

[02:03:15] Later.

[02:03:16] Take care.

[02:03:16] Bye-bye.

[02:03:16] Bye-bye.